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I know a lot of people think sheik is top tier, but I feel like with the correct spacing tools she can really struggle against defensive options. I would love to hear anyone's opinion on this.
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Amen! It's hard if the opponent doesn't want you to kill them.She just can't kill lmao. Character is top tier tho
That was because people were stupid and didn't look at all of his moves lol.Metaknight was at first considered "not soo good" in brawl for the same reason shiek is now just saying.
Doesn't MK have his shuttle loop, broken edgeguarding, and U-air strings to help him out though? As well as D-smash? Sheik doesn't really have any tools like that.Metaknight was at first considered "not soo good" in brawl for the same reason shiek is now just saying.
Vanish has its uses. It's great to go from barely using it to randomly throw ing it out on the ground as a surprise attack.Eventually people will stop getting hit by bouncing fish and LOL vanish. Seriously vanish has like 65 frames of startup lol it doesn't feel much faster than Falcon punch.
This is due to the removal of VI allowing her to combo more constantly and the nerf of Fair knock back which improve it's combo capability even more.Overrated, but still High/top tier. Especially since she got nerfed harder than Greninja, yet actually went up a place, when Greninja went down like 5.
True, but (correct me if I'm wrong) fair also got a damage nerf too.This is due to the removal of VI allowing her to combo more constantly and the nerf of Fair knock back which improve it's combo capability even more.
Yes it did get a 1% damage nerf. It's not exactly game changing.True, but (correct me if I'm wrong) fair also got a damage nerf too.
Bouncing Fish got a nerf (kills at higher percentage than usual), needles got lag (punishable if used unwisely), uair less hits, and a bit more.
True VI was removed + fair was buffed(ish), but she is still overrated. Very much so. She should be from 4th(ish) to 8th(ish). Not top 3 (where she stand in most early tier lists).
PLEASE look at the Video thread, we have over 130 videos on displayed and after this week it might have over 150. Good players are using her.well, i can only say what i see, and thats that i see another sheik player really, really rarely. She is one of the characters i see like never. Round about as often as Peach or Palutena or Olimar.
While i see Characters like Shulk, Lil MAc, Falcon, Marth/Ike/Lucina in at least 50% of my games. Well as i said, it is my personal believe, but I think Sheik would be played WAY more often if she is as good as many claim.
When the tier list only matters for the top 1% why bother talking about it?Yes it did get a 1% damage nerf. It's not exactly game changing.
Generally speaking I try not to talk about tier placements because I'm not very good at it but Sheik is placing highly and winning tournaments right now, she also has the praise of top level contenders like Zer0 and according to him currently M2k who think she is the best character in the game. Because of this I don't think Sheik will ever drop below top 3, maybe top 4 unless something big is discovered.
PLEASE look at the Video thread, we have over 130 videos on displayed and after this week it might have over 150. Good players are using her.
I think it's due to the balance patch nerfing the other high tier characters harder than Sheik; although I feel that the Greninja nerf was unwarranted. Diddy's incredible power comes from not having been nerfed at all even though he was already the best character pre-patch.This is due to the removal of VI allowing her to combo more constantly and the nerf of Fair knock back which improve it's combo capability even more.
...What, uair use to be a solid kill move now it kills 25% later, bouncing fish was pretty decent but now it killing 20% later, needles use to be amazing even a close range, heck at the time we were looking into combo ability from ground needles but now we can get punished if we aren't careful. Frankly speaking no 'top tier' character got more directly nerf then Sheik... However the globe change in game mechanics aka the remove of VI help make up for these heavy loses.I think it's due to the balance patch nerfing the other high tier characters harder than Sheik; although I feel that the Greninja nerf was unwarranted. Diddy's incredible power comes from not having been nerfed at all even though he was already the best character pre-patch.
http://smashboards.com/rankings/smash-wii-u.8/league/teamsAnother thing is that I think Fox and Sonic are underrated; I think they're better than Sheik at least until people start learning to perform pivot halts consistently (the technique is so game-changing that I think it'll scramble the entire tier list; also, it may balance the cast further, since every character can do it).
Lastly, a lot of players don't seem to understand that it's much better to counter or interrupt Sheik's short hop fair than it is to block against it.
Speaking of, that back-throw killed me a few times. 70%? Small stage, sorry Sheik.I would take having the most options in the game over a back throw that kills at 100, , through and through.
Honestly I live for Ness' back throw hahaha.Speaking of, that back-throw killed me a few times. 70%? Small stage, sorry Sheik.
Glad I'm not the only one that has noticed how defensive play is so favorable in this gameSheik is still top tier, i for one was extremely PO'd after the nerf, first match after 1.0.4 was against a bowser who wasn't all that great but still ended up losing to him after getting to 190 for the first kill and get him up to 130 his second stock and was baffled by how hard it was for me to kill him, just made me change my game planning and started going deep for my off stage kills, I record a good portion of my fights afterwards, especially the one's that I lost and after analysis of my fights i realized the majority of receiving damage came from me going in for the kill when i was usually sitting at around 40ish percentage and my opponent was usually lower 100s, just being over aggressive trying to get the kill, as in brawl this game does have a preference to defensive play and sheik opposition know this, but sheik is at an advantage as she can play a very good defensive game aswell as an offensive game, not too many other characters can switch from offensive juggernaut to defensive shell like sheik can.
She does need more kill power. It gets frustrating having to rely on a fish to connect for an actual decent percentage kill. Not to mention that useless grenade :/ I get most of my kills with her by gimping and bairs usually.She just can't kill lmao. Character is top tier tho
Grenade has some pretty solid edgeguard capabilities.She does need more kill power. It gets frustrating having to rely on a fish to connect for an actual decent percentage kill. Not to mention that useless grenade :/ I get most of my kills with her by gimping and bairs usually.