Slaps
Smash Lord
Thank you very much Bored, am probably better than you now!!! =D lol jk
Brett???? Worse than Niddo!??!?! WHAAAAAAT??!?!?! Lol
EDIT: Phase 5 Results Here!
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Brett???? Worse than Niddo!??!?! WHAAAAAAT??!?!?! Lol
EDIT: Phase 5 Results Here!
theeboredone
Smash Legend
I forgot Niddo mained Ike. I thought he was just here for discussion and what not.
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
I think that mentioning this was unnecessary, Slaps.
Kimchi
Smash Ace
Well done, san. Taking a game off the best MK in NY is clearly a great feat. Great to see that you're doing better against MK now. I want to do good against MK instead of against Snake!
Edit: Also, Slaps, good **** for beating Hylian. You did great overall it seems. Keep it up.
Edit: Also, Slaps, good **** for beating Hylian. You did great overall it seems. Keep it up.
This is exactly what I said to the people around me when I lost lol.
Don't worry, I'll still beat you when we play <3.
benaji261!
Smash Ace
****it all I wanna go to tourneys again.
Slaps
Smash Lord
You said "Holy **** you beat Hylian? I am so gonna harass Hylian about this until he retires." to the people around you when you lost????? I am confuzzled.
benaji261!
Smash Ace
He probably meant he talked about you beating him, Slaps... lol
Texas Ikes are getting scarier. Hylian was just the first step. Slaps stepping it up! WTH is happening with Ike lol.
Most likely I will be able to attend viridian in february getting a ride from pikapika. Hope I can make it =)
Most likely I will be able to attend viridian in february getting a ride from pikapika. Hope I can make it =)
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
ness and lucas's grab releases are slightly different. even tho they both have an extra 10 frames, lucas has less ground traction then ness, so when he GRs, he slides back farther, eliminating a lot of the gayness that he is subjected to.
ike can not jab ness out of a GR but not lucas for that reason.
ike can not jab ness out of a GR but not lucas for that reason.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Sometimes the jab hits Lucas and sometimes it doesn't. Frame advantage is still there, though.
Blargh. What San said about TX Ikes is true. We're all getting better. I just... I screwed up this time. I got a better placing at Phase than I did at FS8, but I played better at FS8. The difference was in the bracket, pretty much.
I need to play the night before my next tourney. I think that was part of my problem, maybe. Whatever the case, I just completely screwed up this time around.
But it's okay, because I was introduced to Zelda-. I'll just distract myself with her.
And no, this isn't creepy, #1Cheese. This is life. This is beauty. This is ZELDA MINUS.
Blargh. What San said about TX Ikes is true. We're all getting better. I just... I screwed up this time. I got a better placing at Phase than I did at FS8, but I played better at FS8. The difference was in the bracket, pretty much.
I need to play the night before my next tourney. I think that was part of my problem, maybe. Whatever the case, I just completely screwed up this time around.
But it's okay, because I was introduced to Zelda-. I'll just distract myself with her.
And no, this isn't creepy, #1Cheese. This is life. This is beauty. This is ZELDA MINUS.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
that jab only hits lucas when he DIs into it from the GR, if he DIs away he slides out of the range for most follow ups.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Combo video!
MY COMBO VIDEO THAT GOT CUT 1 MIN SHORT SO YOU MISSED THE CREDITS AND A BLACK SCREEN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZZEY32WXCc
GOOD BYE BRAWL!!
MY COMBO VIDEO THAT GOT CUT 1 MIN SHORT SO YOU MISSED THE CREDITS AND A BLACK SCREEN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZZEY32WXCc
GOOD BYE BRAWL!!
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How can you DI a grab release? o_O
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
you hold a direction on the control stick while youre in the air.
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
it doesn't get him away from the jab but if he SDI's the first hit of the jab the next 2 will miss
Khaoz
Smash Journeyman
='(
haha, I kid. His ICs are clearly and unquestionably ahead of mine.
Bored, where the heck have you been??
benaji261!
Smash Ace
LMAO Palpi XD That vid's too funny. I didn't see that coming on the second song. Too good.
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
benaji261!
Smash Ace
How do you install it or where do you put it? The same way as Brawl+? If so I need some refreshers on how to do that. Haven't played Brawl+ in a long time.
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
I'm pretty sure it's the same way as Brawl Plus, but don't take my word for it.
benaji261!
Smash Ace
Why can't I!? Haven't you installed and played it yet? O_o
Slaps
Smash Lord
I just said, 1st jab is not Guaranteed from grab release. Did you not even listen to what I said about playing Phoenix Alpha? Lucas CAN be released OUT OF JAB RANGE!
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
@Light: I feel Eruption is fairly situational when it comes to recoveries. Meh, w/e.
@Hylian: You have lost any right to say ICs beat Ike in the MU until you beat Slaps in a tournament. He was (before the tournament) the second worse Ike in Texas results wise. lol
@Slaps: Good job man. And that Lucas thing is weird. I faced that exact same guy in FS5. I landed jab out of GR on him several times. He must of gotten a lot better since we played, I nearly took a game off of him. lol
@KID: When the jab won't work, go for the AR Dash Attack or just go for the Dash Re-grab. :D It works if the Lucas doesn't slide away the maximum amount possible (jab that is).
@Hylian: You have lost any right to say ICs beat Ike in the MU until you beat Slaps in a tournament. He was (before the tournament) the second worse Ike in Texas results wise. lol
@Slaps: Good job man. And that Lucas thing is weird. I faced that exact same guy in FS5. I landed jab out of GR on him several times. He must of gotten a lot better since we played, I nearly took a game off of him. lol
@KID: When the jab won't work, go for the AR Dash Attack or just go for the Dash Re-grab. :D It works if the Lucas doesn't slide away the maximum amount possible (jab that is).
Slaps
Smash Lord
I kept failing our first game, like i had a pretty good lead but i was being stupid... like he would knock me away with either the last hit of his jab combo or a throw and i would be so stupid as to jump back to the stage with Fair. It wouldn't have been such a bad idea if it weren't for me failing my spacing so every time i did it I ate a stick lol =D
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Should have jumped back with Counter. Stick, meet sword. :D
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
I installed it, yes, but I haven't put it on my SD Card, yet. I played it, yes, but only on some other person's Wii.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Not sure, but I figure Brawl- minus works the same as Brawl+ in regards to installing. Just go to the main forum.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Ike's jab animations end ridiculously fast in B-... Jab-Utilt is true, and with the stupid hitstun, you can jump up and follow up with more.
Oh and counter is broken. And you can do a sliding counter by just running.
And windboxes on Fair and Fsmash.
Aether heals about 2% with the last hit.
I think that's about all he got. That I can remember.
Where is Kirk!? I want to talk to him about B-. Come out and play, Kirky Kirk Kirk!
Edit: Let's make a list of recoveries we can effectively interrupt with eruption. Examples-- Luigi, Squirtle, sometimes Peach, if she can't get above you.
Oh and counter is broken. And you can do a sliding counter by just running.
And windboxes on Fair and Fsmash.
Aether heals about 2% with the last hit.
I think that's about all he got. That I can remember.
Where is Kirk!? I want to talk to him about B-. Come out and play, Kirky Kirk Kirk!
Edit: Let's make a list of recoveries we can effectively interrupt with eruption. Examples-- Luigi, Squirtle, sometimes Peach, if she can't get above you.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Recoveries Eruption should work again?
Basically Anytime: Luigi, Squirtle, Kirby, D3, Ike (lulz), Bowser, DK (with good timing to make sure arms hit SAFs if they get through), Lucas, Ness
When they are forced to use their Up B to make it: Charizard, Peach, Wario, Marth (in theory. Hard to time), Mario (cape keeps it from being anytime), Diddy Kong, Falco, Fox, Wolf, Link, Toon Link, Lucario, Pit
Am I missing anyone?
Basically Anytime: Luigi, Squirtle, Kirby, D3, Ike (lulz), Bowser, DK (with good timing to make sure arms hit SAFs if they get through), Lucas, Ness
When they are forced to use their Up B to make it: Charizard, Peach, Wario, Marth (in theory. Hard to time), Mario (cape keeps it from being anytime), Diddy Kong, Falco, Fox, Wolf, Link, Toon Link, Lucario, Pit
Am I missing anyone?
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Yeah, basically. Same method as B+.
Eldiran made Ike while Kirk was AFK, IIRC... Kirk is an ike main, isn't he... If I could find that Aether healing thing I'd make it more.
Should be more like 10-12. Counter is too good, or just right broken?Also, here's one for you. Press shield when eruption is fully charged to save the charge. Boom, **** in a can.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Aether should heal as much as it deals out in damage. :D Nobody would try to stay near the stage edge to hit him with an onstage attack.
"And as he comes up, I'll hit him wi-" *aethered through the stage* *Ike heals 12%* :D
"And as he comes up, I'll hit him wi-" *aethered through the stage* *Ike heals 12%* :D
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Brawl- B- namesearch so you see this lawl:Yeah, basically. Same method as B+.
Eldiran made Ike while Kirk was AFK, IIRC... Kirk is an ike main, isn't he... If I could find that Aether healing thing I'd make it more.
Also, here's one for you. Press shield when eruption is fully charged to save the charge. Boom, **** in a can.
Aether should heal exactly as much damage as it does. Thank you for telling me about eruption, by the way. That should help a LOT.
I didn't play around too much, but I guess the windboxs on Fsmash and Fair are to make them safer on shield? If so, I can be a fan of that idea.
Jab speed is WEIRD but I can't say I don't like it.
Counter is good where it is now, too. It's really, really good, and it's something Ike deserves because he didn't get a million Wario-style insta-****-f-my-life buffs.
Ike minus full changelist(from the txt file in the download link Mr. Doom posted here awhile ago):
Reduced landing lag of aerials
Jump Startup Time 5 instead of 6
Slightly increased walk initial and max velocity
Slightly increased air mobility
Tiny increase in run velocity
Squat speed x1.5
Jab 1: x2 speed at frame 8, KB is non-reversible
Jab 2: x2 speed at frame 6, KB is non-reversible, easier to interrupt with not Jab3, +3 IASA
Jab 3: +1 damage, +4 IASA
Dash Atk: IASA on frame 22 on hit, less KB for combos, non-reversible
Dtilt: non-hitbox frames x2 speed, always spikes
Utilt: x2 speed until frame 12
Ftilt: x2 speed after hitbox end
Nair: x2 speed at frame 32, does 9 shield dmg, landing lag speed x3
Bair: x2 speed at frame 9, does 6 shield dmg
Uair: mashing A provides upward momentum
Dair: spike hitbox lasts for 2 more frames, other hitbox lasts 5 more frames. No autocancel on startup, allow interrupt into special starting frame 35
Fair: does "E" shield dmg, landing has windbox pushing away, much smaller landing lag window, allow interrupt on landing lag after frame 5
Usmash: Windbox behind Ike pushing away on ending of swing
Dsmash: Windboxes pushing away on both swings. Angle on all hits 65/70/75/82->30, allow interrupt frame 50 (was 64)
Fsmash: Charging has windboxes drawing in like Ganon's utilt. At the end of the swing there is a large windbox pushing away. Speed x1.3
Fthrow: x2 speed at frame 13
Uthrow: +5 dmg, more KB, fire element (shoryuken!)
Dthrow: +3 dmg, opponent ends on the ground, x2 speed at frame 41
Pummel: ends sooner
Neutral+B:
Charging can be canceled by shield
Can be held after reaching full charge, but doing so hurts over time (a la Dedede)
Full charge can be stored
Charge speed x1.5
Side+B:
Grounded charging can be canceled by shield
Aerial dash can be interrupted by anything
Grounded dash attack can be interrupted by anything
Neither dash leads to special fall
Up+B:
Hitting with the final landing hitbox (which now has more hitlag and is electric) heals Ike 2%.
Down+B:
Increased knockback, hitlag. Electric element
"Cling" sound effect doesn't play until Ike can counter.
1 in 10 chance of Ike ruining the victim's day.
Other:
CliffAttackQuick's minimum damage is 8 instead of 6
Sound effect changes.
Reduced landing lag of aerials
Jump Startup Time 5 instead of 6
Slightly increased walk initial and max velocity
Slightly increased air mobility
Tiny increase in run velocity
Squat speed x1.5
Jab 1: x2 speed at frame 8, KB is non-reversible
Jab 2: x2 speed at frame 6, KB is non-reversible, easier to interrupt with not Jab3, +3 IASA
Jab 3: +1 damage, +4 IASA
Dash Atk: IASA on frame 22 on hit, less KB for combos, non-reversible
Dtilt: non-hitbox frames x2 speed, always spikes
Utilt: x2 speed until frame 12
Ftilt: x2 speed after hitbox end
Nair: x2 speed at frame 32, does 9 shield dmg, landing lag speed x3
Bair: x2 speed at frame 9, does 6 shield dmg
Uair: mashing A provides upward momentum
Dair: spike hitbox lasts for 2 more frames, other hitbox lasts 5 more frames. No autocancel on startup, allow interrupt into special starting frame 35
Fair: does "E" shield dmg, landing has windbox pushing away, much smaller landing lag window, allow interrupt on landing lag after frame 5
Usmash: Windbox behind Ike pushing away on ending of swing
Dsmash: Windboxes pushing away on both swings. Angle on all hits 65/70/75/82->30, allow interrupt frame 50 (was 64)
Fsmash: Charging has windboxes drawing in like Ganon's utilt. At the end of the swing there is a large windbox pushing away. Speed x1.3
Fthrow: x2 speed at frame 13
Uthrow: +5 dmg, more KB, fire element (shoryuken!)
Dthrow: +3 dmg, opponent ends on the ground, x2 speed at frame 41
Pummel: ends sooner
Neutral+B:
Charging can be canceled by shield
Can be held after reaching full charge, but doing so hurts over time (a la Dedede)
Full charge can be stored
Charge speed x1.5
Side+B:
Grounded charging can be canceled by shield
Aerial dash can be interrupted by anything
Grounded dash attack can be interrupted by anything
Neither dash leads to special fall
Up+B:
Hitting with the final landing hitbox (which now has more hitlag and is electric) heals Ike 2%.
Down+B:
Increased knockback, hitlag. Electric element
"Cling" sound effect doesn't play until Ike can counter.
1 in 10 chance of Ike ruining the victim's day.
Other:
CliffAttackQuick's minimum damage is 8 instead of 6
Sound effect changes.
benaji261!
Smash Ace
Learn to handle/evade his peels. Diddy is real fast and if you're not careful he gets you in a world of hurt. I would say take your time and space yourself between the two of you. That's my little opinion.
inb4niddo
Palpi
Smash Hero
Once you understand how to use bananas the match up is rediculously easy. I advise picking up diddy for a few days or atleast learning his advance techniques (instathrowing) for a broader knowledge.
You want to pressure diddy. When diddy is offensive he is punishable, so zoning well and utilizing your jab to the fullest extent will make more opportunities for punishment! If you notice a pattern in his banana throwing...for instance he may dribble back and then glide toss forward or shoot a peanut and throw, instant throwing can help punish his obvious throws and give you the upperhand...though if you are against a well seasoned diddy they will probably just instant throw it back
Once diddy gets you off the stage and he has time to set up, you are at a larger disadvantage than the start of the match...obviously...so avoid laggy attacks that can result in a fthrow offstage or early fsmash/dsmash.
If you do get in a bad position, try to use more lagless moves, don't finish jab combos on shields and space well. Banana throw oos = **** against laggy attack.
You want to pressure diddy. When diddy is offensive he is punishable, so zoning well and utilizing your jab to the fullest extent will make more opportunities for punishment! If you notice a pattern in his banana throwing...for instance he may dribble back and then glide toss forward or shoot a peanut and throw, instant throwing can help punish his obvious throws and give you the upperhand...though if you are against a well seasoned diddy they will probably just instant throw it back
Once diddy gets you off the stage and he has time to set up, you are at a larger disadvantage than the start of the match...obviously...so avoid laggy attacks that can result in a fthrow offstage or early fsmash/dsmash.
If you do get in a bad position, try to use more lagless moves, don't finish jab combos on shields and space well. Banana throw oos = **** against laggy attack.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Don't give Diddy enough time to pull out his bananas. If he pulls out a banana at an unsafe time, make him pay for it and don't let him get the banana in his hand.
3 big tips against Diddy:
1) Don't let him get his bananas.
2) Learn to use bananas against him. (AKA learn to Z-catch very well, know when and where to throw, set up traps, etc.)
3) When he has a banana in his hand, don't attack. He'll just block it and punish with a banana throw out of shield, which leads to PAIN. Make him throw it and make him miss. Then approach when he no longer has a banana in his hand. He is SEVERELY weakened without nanerz.
3 big tips against Diddy:
1) Don't let him get his bananas.
2) Learn to use bananas against him. (AKA learn to Z-catch very well, know when and where to throw, set up traps, etc.)
3) When he has a banana in his hand, don't attack. He'll just block it and punish with a banana throw out of shield, which leads to PAIN. Make him throw it and make him miss. Then approach when he no longer has a banana in his hand. He is SEVERELY weakened without nanerz.
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