Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[Mr-R]

I can't see the vid lol

 

[MasterOfGalaxies]

What do you all think the MK ban will do to our metagame? Many characters were only being held back by the prevalence of MK, and some were where they were because of how well they did against MK. Should we worry about DDD, or Diddy, or another one of our tougher low tiered matches popping up more because they don't need to worry about MK?

 

[ScareMl]

dancing blade,
expect the shine,
fthrow is awesome
be careful about your whiffs / spaced aerials on shield if they're rising /etc due to wolf's fsmash being pretty tops
learn to edgeguard him, it takes some practise but its very manageable to shut down his ledge options
get the spacing down for fairing (or bairing) his side b recovery, it's not too hard, but knowing the positioning for his various vertical placements to recover makes gimping him easier.

thanks shaya, a few clarifications. is ff fair a good thing to do in this MU? and f-throw to what? and i have a habit of countering his side-b sometimes, is this a safe option or no (it's worked most of the time for me so far)

 

[Shaya]

Fthrow and just follow on. Wolf's weight and stuff makes it hard for him to avoid follow ups.

Stuff like pivot grabs, dashing fairs/dbs or dtilts work.

Countering his side b is fine, but off stage, you can counter it and not hit him and then you're in a irked situation.
If you can counter him while you still have a jump, then you're likely able to follow up with a guaranteed edgehod / fair gimp.

 

[ScareMl]

aighty thanks for the help

 

[HFlash]

I know there is a thread to this, but the youtube videos are down and I don't quite get what the text is, can someone breakdown the exact steps to the DS ledge grab? And if perfected, does it work just as well as TL/L's zair?

Thanks in advance :]

 

[Shaya]

1. Don't double post, edit your previous one.

2. Ledge drop
3. Jump
4. Time dolphin slash so you're close to adjacent to the ledge (it's something like so your hand is pretty much on the ledge already)

WHEN it first came out I couldn't do it. Then one day I did it accidentally and was like "WOW ITS THAT EASY".

 

[Reizilla]

What do you all think the MK ban will do to our metagame? Many characters were only being held back by the prevalence of MK, and some were where they were because of how well they did against MK. Should we worry about DDD, or Diddy, or another one of our tougher low tiered matches popping up more because they don't need to worry about MK?

Not really a quick question, but

Low tiers are low tier for a reason, not because of MK. DDD has plenty of terrible matchups he should worry about that will be just as prevalent, if not more so now. Only character that really may benefit that we "worry" about would maybe be ROB. I don't know if he has any other terrible matchups.

Diddy will be more common, but that's only as bad as MK. Maybe more of a pain in the *** though.

Hell, I would love it if all of the Toon Links, Peaches and other bad characters suddenly thought they were viable and started popping up everywhere xD

 

[MasterOfGalaxies]

Sorry for my wordiness, I didn't know where else to ask. And thanks, that answers my question perfectly. I have always practiced by playing against lots of MKs, but now that won't be a problem, so I was wondering what really would now be a problem. I'll have to get better at using bananas.

 

[HFlash]

Alright, thanks man

 

[F A N G]

Do you guys have MU advice somewhere?

 

[C.J.]

Kinda sorta. There are old MU threads somewhere. I have new ones up about Diddy and DDD. Working on one for Snake.

There are some MU write-ups in the social thread.

If there's something/a specific character you need help with, feel free to ask and someone will answer.

 

[Dakpo]

With the current metagame, who do you guys feel the zss marth match up is? The chart currently says +1 for you guys but I don't understand why. Just wondering how you guys felt...

 

[Reizilla]

I think Shaya's the only one that actually believes that.

 

[C.J.]

I view it as even.

 

[Shaya]

I think Shaya's the only one that actually believes that.

I feel that out of 100 matches, Marth should win more.
But it isn't significant.

It's an advantage, but likely small enough to happily place it as 0.
Wait...
that's exactly what I did.

 

[Reizilla]

Then who the heck thinks it's +1 Marth? xD

 

[Shaya]

I wouldn't disagree with it.

 

[Nike.]

There's like a half dozen character's that think they go even with us (instead of the +1).
Zss is one of them.
It's also the only one I agree with lol.

 

[PEACE7]

It's even imo.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

So would you guys rather fight on Cruise or Brinstar and why?

 

[Gike]

I have huge Problems dealing with Olimars... especially when i try to approach, it's so frustrating.
Could someone please give me some tips on this Matchup?

 

[ScareMl]

So would you guys rather fight on Cruise or Brinstar and why?

cruise, i feel like there is nothing, nothing i can do against mk on brinstar. He can attack from above, below, and from the sides and we're stuck in the center while we have to fend off his attacks from all around. On cruise, we have more mobility and can pull off a few gimps and whatnot. That's just my opinion though.

 

[HFlash]

I have huge Problems dealing with Olimars... especially when i try to approach, it's so frustrating.
Could someone please give me some tips on this Matchup?

Correct me if I'm wrong more experienced people, but playing a good olimar alot, your best option is to fair it up, aside from oli'd Up special, he has no attack to cover his diagonal hit box. So just stay in the air, and try to knock him off stage (horizontal hit back rather than verticle) for a fairly easy gimp.
Hope this helps.

 

[Tyler_ACE]

I have huge Problems dealing with Olimars... especially when i try to approach, it's so frustrating.
Could someone please give me some tips on this Matchup?

I've had trouble with this MU as well, but Fair is one the best options for you as long as it's tippered. Approaching can be difficult (throwing pikmins, Fair, Bair, and Uspecial... ugh) so your best option is just to walk. Shield when he throws pikmin, and Nair works well when he tries to Fair or Bair you. There may be other options, but this usually helps me a lot in the MU. Hope it helps :3

 

[Tyler_ACE]

So would you guys rather fight on Cruise or Brinstar and why?

...am I allowed to say "neither?" XD

 

[Bowser D.X]

Not really related to Brawl but it is related to Marth and I couldn't think of anywhere else to post this. Anyway what is the correct translation of his name? Is it Marth or Mars?

 

[Haze~]

Marusu=Marth

 

[Capuchon]

How air release the character like DDD, or Bowser with Marth ?

 

[C.J.]

You have to stop pummeling and they must press a jump input.

 

[Jeos]

this may sound strange but...

has dancing blade transcendent priority?

I thought it had until I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rQmP6MFTYGQ#t=204s

 

[C.J.]

No meteor smashes are transcendent. DB3down is a meteor smash. The rest of DB is transcendent.

 

[Capuchon]

How can we use the JAB of Marth ?

 

[C.J.]

Anti-air, cover landings, follow-up after throws

 

[DtJ S2n]

Does anyone know if Marth counters a move, does that move get staled?

I suppose it shouldn't get staled since the move isn't doing percent to any one or any object, but still would like to know the answer to this.

 

[Jeos]

right C.J.

my bad, I was told the exact opposite.

So the right answer is that the move is NOT staled, but the counter attack is staled

 

[C.J.]

Staling doesn't apply to hitting shields.

 

[Jeos]

fixed, thanks for the correction.

also, does someone knows exactly why marth loses his horizontal momentum when hit? It gave me a lot of problems on a recent tourney =/.
It happens with or without using DS so that's I'm not sure when happens.

I know you can cancel that with an aerial but is hard to notice it when I'm near the blast zone and sometimes it just doesn't go away even with momentum cancelling.

I ask this again because it can cut a lot of possibilities.

 

[Reizilla]

I'm pretty sure it's a Dolphin Slash thing and you probably had carry-over lag from using DS prior and not yet hitting the floor. At least, that's what it's always been in my experience. Do you have a video?

 

[Jeos]

no, we were on a rush and just the finnals got saved =/

anyway, I'm gonna test this soon when I get my wii back, I also thought the same thing but that thing almost took a match so that's why I remember it.

Thanks anyway