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[ZTD | TECHnology]

I don't need vids to tell you how bad you are

$500 MM?

 

[Damittom]

$500 MM?

If you come to West MI

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

How about my bedroom? It's more appropriate for the **** that I would inflict upon you anyway.

 

[Damittom]

Your roommate would kick me out before you even got a chance

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

So true. So true.

 

[-LzR-]

There should be some matches against Lzr in someone's Wii back in Finland,
same about my MM against Gardex at Agon, somewhere in Germany too.

I hope no one ever finds those matches, ever

 

[LinkinHand]

haha should i ask in the agon thread in the gsb?
also i wiat for kunai to upload the team-bracket match from gardex and me vs bloody & t
this match was just too awesome :3

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

At like 0% or low percents, if the opponent doesnt tech Down Throw and I use Dair as a follow up, is buffered Dash Attack.guaranteed after the Dair? (on light characters) I seem to land this a lot more than I should on light characters.

 

[Dueler X]

haha should i ask in the agon thread in the gsb?
also i wiat for kunai to upload the team-bracket match from gardex and me vs bloody & t
this match was just too awesome :3

Yes, please, there were 5 matches of GW ditto (me vs Gardex)
on the big screen that was just at the end of the table towards the counter
on Saturday night. (TV n°16 I think)

@Lzr : Did you already beat Gardex with Icies ?

 

[Gardex]

We haven't met in brackets B)

I don't remember saving our matches, did we?

 

[Damittom]

At like 0% or low percents, if the opponent doesnt tech Down Throw and I use Dair as a follow up, is buffered Dash Attack.guaranteed after the Dair? (on light characters) I seem to land this a lot more than I should on light characters.

Well there is 15 frames of landing lag on Dair and im not entirely sure what the startup time on Dash Attack is. Idk what the hitstun would be but I feel as though you don't gain enough of a frame advantage for it to be guaranteed, but it does seem like a viable option assuming most player's won't correctly react fast.

I may be wrong tho.

 

[Gardex]

I know regrab is guaranteed, so is fair, I think.

I don't know about dash attack, but you could just go for the regrab or the safe fair

 

[-LzR-]

@Dueler, I have yet to play a set against Gardex, but I think IC vs GW was even between us. I will never ever simply believe a MU like that. GW does indeed have a chance against IC.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Fair is guaranteed?

Interesting. I'd probably just Fair unless the opponent had bad tech rolls or was easy to read.

 

[-LzR-]

I don't see much reason fair as a grab can net you an incredible punish. Actually after like 30 something I would fair since I believe it has a larger window and should work longer. Also shouldn't nair work as well as it is much faster. If it does I see no advantage using fair instead.

 

[Alphicans]

Pretty sure dash attack is like our first or second fastest ground move.

EDIT:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189251

yes, from the ground, a buffered dash attack will be our 2nd fastest option (I guess 3rd fastest if we had bucket). It's important to note that it's actually faster than a dash grab.

 

[Damittom]

its also faster than fair

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Oh that's sick actually. Its faster and easy to do? Yay.

Yeah, I've doing some research lately. So expect more questions later.

 

[Shadow the Past]

I must be the only one who likes doing d-throw -> jab -> regrab

Usually works at least once a set

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I land that on a lot of people as well.

 

[-LzR-]

I don't do that because people here will immediately punish me somehow.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

You just gotta believe!

 

[Damittom]

I do it too but if you do it too much it is punishable

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

That's implied lol. Its reliant off a missed tech.

 

[-LzR-]

You just gotta believe!

This is no belief, this is a fact. Finnish people somehow escape it all the time. Trust me on this. I try it sometimes.

 

[Shadow the Past]

It's fun doing it on low (sometimes mid) calibur players since they have no idea what to do to get out of it lol.

I think I was able to get ShadowPhoenix from 0-40 with it at Brawl in the Hall. (Almost got me a comeback from my SD)

 

[Gardex]

I can back up LzR's claim. The finns are really weird. ****ing Schwa even nairs(With diddy) me before I can regrab after jab.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

That Finnish/Norwegian metagame too stronk.

EDIT: How the hell can Diddy Nair before you regrab after Jab hitstun??

 

[Alphicans]

All lies. There is like no punishment for trying the jab, it just means you miss out on any punishment.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Maybe you guys aren't Jab Canceling your grabs, because I always thought whaf Alphicans just said.

 

[Gardex]

It's finnish black magic

Works on everybody else

 

[-LzR-]

I can only do a jab grab. Anything else and I get owned. And not even the jab grab works most of the time =/

Our jab is ****.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Your Jab is ****?

would like to have a word with you.

 

[Alphicans]

Our jab really isn't that bad. It's slow compared to lots of jabs, but it's fast enough to punish most things that aren't jabs, and it can eat shields decently well. Yeah if you multihit them you'll get punished for it, but usually they take more damage than you do, and trading damage is pretty much good vs any character (arguably not vs snake, but in lots of situations I think it's advantageous).

 

[-LzR-]

All right fine. I'll experiment more with it. Must be that I play against characters like Falco and Marth a lot who really don't mind our jab at all.

 

[Shadow the Past]

Ground games against Falco is a bad idea with G&W in any regard lol.

Also I usually shield grab, because if they get a punish out, a powershield usually comes out and stops punishes that land on a certain frame.

I also find it hilarious when they land behind you, the back of the jab still hits and you still get the regrab.

 

[LinkinHand]

^this :D

and do a dtilt after a jab that's also cool ^^

 

[Patches]

^this :D

and do a dtilt after a jab that's also cool ^^

Dthrow > jab > dthrow > dtilt da bess tho

 

[LinkinHand]

why do dtilt if you could also use a fsmash?
if you predict the correct side, you can also use a fsmash for a eventual kill or at least more damage?

 

[Alphicans]

Sometimes dtilt works on a certain character and fsmash doesn't. But you're right, if fsmash works, it is a dominating strategy, unless you're near the edge and want to put your opponent at a very specific angle... Although I feel dsmash would do a better job at that as well.