Backwards short hop out of dash

[MarthMarthMarth]

I'm a scrublord who likes to bury aerials on shield, and I'm trying to get out of the habit. My thoughts are that if I can do retreating aerials out of dash, I can land tipper fairs on shield and apply pressure without getting bodied by shield grabs. I have a lot of difficulty actually getting the retreating jump, though. I can get a neutral jump (straight up) somewhat often, but rarely can I actually jump in the opposite direction of the dash. How is this kind of momentum determined? Does anyone know what kind of input pitfalls are leading me to be unable to do this correctly?

 

[Sycorax]

There is this thing called an analog jump that gives you momentum out of your jump. It is determined by the x-position of your control stick when you jump. For Marth, the game checks the position at the last frame of jump, so you want to be holding back by the second to last frame of jump.

So like, dash forward, jump press and hold back. If you do it fast enough, you'll get a slight amount of net backwards movement when you jump.

 

[Xyzz]

Main thing is you need to an actual backjump and not a forward one where you start backwards drift shortly after (that is, you hold back on the frame you leave the ground... or the one before that?) The difference between the two is huge.
Also I think to get actual, retreating jumps you need to be still dashing, not running.

 

[Sycorax]

Also I think to get actual, retreating jumps you need to be still dashing, not running.

Not true.

 

[Dandy_here]

I've never actually had a problem with this. Just hold back when you jump then hit the c stick. Or is it not that easy?

 

[Hunybear]

if you want to go even further back you can easily shield stop- aerial while in dash or run cancel- aerial while in run.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Try what Hunybear said. Shield stop aerials are easier to do than running SH retreating aerials.

 

[Hunybear]

On top of that you'll become a floaty slayer. Puffs just bair the hell out of shield for whatever reason.