Social Bair is underpowered - Puff Social/Disc Thread

[idea]

1. yeah reverse fairs would have helped him at a few points, but his edgeguarding wasn't like, awful. and kk specifically is good at hitting me when i forfeit ledge invincibility, and part of sheik's up-b is invincible, so that reverse fair thing isn't as good vs. sheik as it would be vs., say, fox.
2. dsmash counters jiggs' crouch. i wanted to tell dogysamich that in the commentary but i don't know to transcend time and space.
3. lol i totally would have guessed 1 hour 15 minutes if you had asked me after the set how long it was. really, i had that number in mind.
4. camp yl on dreamland, approach him where possible, imo

hbox, i try to defend against claims like "all he does is bair"...but that set with KK doesn't help but hey, it worked.

 

[Krynxe]

Yeah, well sheik is like the only high tier character where that works

Doing nothing but bairs, that is.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

Yeah, well sheik is like the only high tier character where that works

Doing nothing but bairs, that is.

and to a degree, Peach

 

[ShroudedOne]

To a very large degree, Peach.

 

[FoxLisk]

ya it was so fun listening to dogysamich say 'i dont wanna say hbox camps but ALL HE DOES IS BAIR' while hbox was not even throwing any bairs out against foxes and ****. that was awesome. love this community.

 

[omgwtfToph]

I enjoy fighting puffs who think that only bairing is the answer. Usually they are very easy to beat.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

I enjoy fighting puffs who think that only bairing is the answer. Usually they are very easy to beat.

true story, (drops head in shame).... if there is neutral momentum I always go right back to bairs >.<

 

[idea]

i noticed at apex that for some reason americans get hit by more bairs than canadians like i would hit one bair then start doing that double bair thing until they shielded it, and they'd take 3 or 4 hits before it stopped working. they'd keep trying to jump out of shield or dash as though i wasn't going to bair again...

edit: actually that might not be fair...americans get hit by more moves in general

 

[Tekk]

Just got home from TSL:RISE!, a rather big french national: about 60 people including pretty much every top french player.
Went 5th in singles and 3rd in doubles (teamed with porc).
Rather dissapointing performances if you ask me, but no johns, next time will be better.

Videos (with hype!) & photos will be up soon.

 

[leffen]

^damn, I should've come and take that free moneh... I had no idea french nationals had 60 ppl for melee lol (considering how ryanair flights cost like 5euro both ways)


How big is ESA gonna be do you predict?

 

[Tekk]

You can't fly to Lyon with ryanair directly, you'd have to fly to paris, then take a train to Lyon; which would cost you like 80 more euros minimum.

ESA will most likely be huge, I can't say how huge yet tho.
But foreigners should definetely come.

PS: you wouldn't have won TSL:R... Or at least not as easily as you think you'd have. ;D

 

[leffen]

Who won? Baxon? I'd definitely stomp him, you, cyr and whatever baguettelovingmadmen you got stored ;D Looking forward to playing you guys heh
Where is ESA?

 

[Tekk]

1st Salepate
2nd Cyr
3rd Baxon
4th porc
5th Aether/me

ESA is in Villejuif, nearby Paris, so you shouldn't have any problems flying there with Ryanair.
You can be sure we'll give you a good match.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

I have only heard of cyr in those top 3... gots to watch more foreign vids...

Tho I stay updated on Chile stuff since Perfect Dark/Ariquenuubs

 

[omgwtfToph]

That's kinda funny cuz I know Baxon and Salepate but don't know Cyr >_>;

Then again Salepate came to Washington one time haha.

 

[ranmaru]

I should try to secondary puff. Because I love gimping. ;3

 

[ShroudedOne]

Getting an edge guard off with her is soooo satisfying.

 

[idea]

I should try to secondary puff. Because I love gimping. ;3

in that case you might also like:

- fox
- falco
- sheik
- marth
- falcon
- ice climbers (kind of, grab infinites and such)
- doctor mario lol

 

[FoxLisk]

in that case you might also like:

- doctor mario lol

grab falco bthrow off stage full hop dair ??? profit

 

[idea]

grab falco bthrow off stage full hop dair ??? profit

yeah they always do that. whenever i play a falco for the first time (with jiggs) this is the first thing i try after a bthrow. works pretty often. if they go low right away it suggests they know the matchup and that i should take that into account...

 

[crush]

instant jump -> really ****ing well timed shine beats full hop dair

 

[FoxLisk]

yeah they always do that. whenever i play a falco for the first time (with jiggs) this is the first thing i try after a bthrow. works pretty often. if they go low right away it suggests they know the matchup and that i should take that into account...

haha i mean it does **** with jiggs too but it ***** with doc which was what i was after in that post

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

What if falco just immediately DJs dairs, trades with 1 hit of the dair, and then grabs the edge?

 

[FoxLisk]

then you lose a stock the second time you try it?

 

[ranmaru]

Hey, do you guys practice alot as puff? I have wondered about that. Because I go and say "Ok maybe I should practice as puff... wait... what should I practice?"

 

[boomrested]

I don't practice much, 20 minutes a day max against a lvl 4 fox on Battlefield. I practice wavedashing everywhere, dair l cancels, jab reset->rest, and then platform rests. My latest project is trying dair->rest, but it's pretty hard and I'm not sure if it would work reliably against good people.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

then you lose a stock the second time you try it?

Or you get a free recovery when you don't fall into patterns

 

[idea]

haha i mean it does **** with jiggs too but it ***** with doc which was what i was after in that post

yeah i know

Hey, do you guys practice alot as puff? I have wondered about that. Because I go and say "Ok maybe I should practice as puff... wait... what should I practice?"

no. but then, i don't really practice at all anymore...not very fun and i have lots of opportunities to play real people in my area.

 

[hungrybox]

Oh, hi guys.

Ask me stuffz! :D

 

[ranmaru]

Hi. I only main doc.

What should I practice/keep in mind with Jiggs to be able to use her in tourny THIS WEEKEND : D

When is it a good time to be able to use a secondary in tourny... because right now I wouldn't use any other char in tourny besides doc... that's how... stuck I am xD

 

[ShroudedOne]

Why do you guys like Dreamland? It doesn't seem like you get any other buffs besides being able to live a bit longer. But you can get camped so hard on a stage like that, and I don't know that Puff has amazing anti-camp tools.

 

[-LzR-]

Puff is an amazing camper but also gets camped herself.
I tend to beat a lot of people on Dreamland somehow and then get ***** on other stages.
For example getting a stock lead against someone and camping the top platforms makes it hard for them to catch you. You also live so long and unlike most characters you will always make it back. Fox doesn't give a **** if he survives when he is a mile away from the ledge.

@Hbox: Any idea what else to do in dittos except just kicking the air? There must be some tricks I'm not aware of...

@ppl: When is it possible to jump out of Foxs uthrow -> uair?

 

[idea]

Oh, hi guys.

Ask me stuffz! :D

Have you ever gotten really tired/bored of playing puff?

 

[King5280]

thats why he learned ness!

 

[Massive]

Why do you guys like Dreamland? It doesn't seem like you get any other buffs besides being able to live a bit longer. But you can get camped so hard on a stage like that, and I don't know that Puff has amazing anti-camp tools.

Dreamland is my least favorite stage.

I play a lot of Falcons and Foxes who love the extra runnin' around room (it's arguably Darkrain's favorite stage).

It is probably the best counterpick stage vs marth though.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Oh yeah, I just wanted to say that I want to MM everybody in this thread at some point in the future. :D

 

[Tekk]

Challenge accepted

 

[Kaizer]

just played armadas yl. feel sorry for you hbox

 

[Tekk]

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https://picasaweb.google.com/112564654376322094160/Mugshots?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnZxeT6sfrpHQ french smashers mugshots

all taken by Seya

 

[TheGoat]

Oh, hi guys.

Ask me stuffz! :D

why dont you CP against armadas YL? I think it would be **** if you went to shiek or something.