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Lol.Ganondorf, by far is the worst character or among the top 3 in worst (those in my mind being yoshi, himself, and bowser)
He's probably better than bowser though. He has tons of ground game options and power, but low priority and gets gimped by almost every character in this game, which practically makes him useless. No one has proven ganon can do well. At all. The best was us watching verm destroy a metaknight on the apex projector. But verm didn't even make it to bracket.
Ganondorf's fastest move is his grab, IIRC.Really bad movility plus slow moveset (jab coming out in frame 9 iirc which is his fastest move - or his forward tilt, please correct me)
Yes, I believe its an instant spike.Rolling with Ganon is better than running because it's faster.
Ganon no can. He got too old.
Is it true if you mash down on the c stick with Falco when Ganon Up B grabs you Falco will immediately spike Ganon out of the move?
I didn't even enter.Ganondorf, by far is the worst character or among the top 3 in worst (those in my mind being yoshi, himself, and bowser)
He's probably better than bowser though. He has tons of ground game options and power, but low priority and gets gimped by almost every character in this game, which practically makes him useless. No one has proven ganon can do well. At all. The best was us watching verm destroy a metaknight on the apex projector. But verm didn't even make it to bracket.
W-what!? I can't comprehend how you can even begin to justify that.Ganondorf, by far is the worst character or among the top 3 in worst (those in my mind being yoshi, himself, and bowser)
I'm curious to see the reasoning behind that one, too. Also, nope. Ganondorf's best MU is probably Ivysaur, and it's 55:45 Ivy.W-what!? I can't comprehend how you can even begin to justify that.
So, what are Ganondorf's good match-ups? He has to have at least one... right?
EDIT: Awesome sig, Verm. XD
That's based more on reaction. Charizard can put the hurt on Ganon, even if we do have some nasty tricks on him. Either way his best MU is 45:55 with someone awful.But we have a realistic infinite chainchoke on Charizard. I thought that was his best matchup.
What...the....****...are...you...smokingGanondorf, by far is the worst character or among the top 3 in worst (those in my mind being yoshi, himself, and bowser)
He's probably better than bowser though. He has tons of ground game options and power, but low priority and gets gimped by almost every character in this game, which practically makes him useless. No one has proven ganon can do well. At all. The best was us watching verm destroy a metaknight on the apex projector. But verm didn't even make it to bracket.
It's not true at all that Ganon can't land hits. But I agree that he has more trouble doing it than anyone else.Anyway, I have a strong take on the subject. In my experience, Ganondorf is, bar-none, the worst character in the game. A lot of people who say "I think Ganondorf deserves to be higher than he is" don't know what they're talking about.
For starters, Ganon's one good trait is his power. But his power means next to nothing if he can never land hits. The primary flaw with Ganon's power is the fact that in any given MU, he only has a handful of moves he can use before they begin to stale--badly. Unfortunately, most of Ganon's main combat moves are also his kill moves. This makes it so he does not have nearly as easy a time killing as some may think. I personally don't finish mid-weights off until around 110%.
He has the potential to kill early. But only with an Fsmash (good luck landing one in high-level play), a fresh DAir (chyeah right) or a sweetspotted, fresh, FAir (more probable than the prior two, but sooo risky). Not to mention most of his moves are unsafe on shield and even HIT until higher percents (wizkick, for example)
The next issue is his frame data. Against any kind of quick character, Ganondorf is pretty much helpless and the player alone has to improvise ways to beat them. Having no shieldgrab options, save for rare occasions, and absolutely nothing lower than 8 frames OoS, his shield is almost more of a bane than a boon. Also, having no grab range to speak of makes beating out shields extremely difficult, unless you can repeatedly trick the opponent into not shieldgrabbing you when you're approaching their shield. His lack of shieldgrab makes him a rock, paper character with no scissors. It makes him very easy to pressure, combo and so forth.
Then we have his recovery--inarguably the worst aspect of Ganon. Not only is his distance second worst in the game, winning out only against Link's, he gets punished for landing up-bs due to the lack of hitstun, and upon grabbing the ledge and landing back on stage, he receives what I'd say is around 35-40 frames of recovery carry-over lag. He is, without a doubt, the easiest character in the game to gimp.
He has next-to-zero priority, mediocre range and as mentioned before, I horrible staling problem. Ganondorf got ****ed in every way a character can in this game, save for his strength. He obviously has no approach, considering with his speed and lack of projectile, anyone will see him coming from a mile away and will usually only be in any danger if they approach.
Ganondorf is, without doubt, the bottom of this game. Whenever you see a Ganon do well, it's not Ganon's strengths coming through; it's the player overcoming nigh insurmountable odds.
It bothers me that theres no good Bowser mains in the SBR afaik.Personally, it really bothers me that there are no Ganon mains in the BBR.
Welcome toIt really bothers me that most of the SBR are ROBs, whose are very negative people, MKs, whose are very positive people, and Marths, who are very gay people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJEMvQ6XoYIt really bothers me that most of the SBR are ROBs, whose are very negative people, MKs, whose are very positive people, and Marths, who are very gay people.