Falco865
Smash Apprentice
What do you guys think? battlefield and Fod seem to be really good for him, big stages like Dracula castle not do much.
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I try to avoid those MU's as much as possible with luigi, but I'll give what little knowledge I can. In 3.6, luigi's down b has been kinda neutered, so the luigi will have to be very careful.I swear to God the only thing I got from this is that you people like every stage.
Another thing that should be considered is how effectively the opponent can interact with luigi. If they have no way to meaningfully punish you or convert into kills, large blast zones could accentuate that by making you impossible to kill while you can edge guard a lot of recoveries still with invincible Bair. Also if it's a character with a good disjointed uair like Link, you might do well to have platforms so you have more escape options outside of air dodge.
With that being said, what are your thoughts on stages against Link, Ike, and Marth.
MU dependent, but I generally still like smaller stages like warioware and yoshis story. You also have to remember that on bigger stages, platform camping and air camping is a lot more common, which luigi struggles to counter, and thus makes it hard for him to secure kills. Dreamland is okay for chars like fox and ganon, but i wouldn't really go there for any other mus. I still think PS2, SV, and YS are his best stages. YS imo is his best stage vs many chars because of how small the blast zones are. And surprisingly, its where i do best vs Marth. FoD is a great stage in the fox mu and chars who kill off the top easier. SV i think is also one of his best because of that moving platform, allowing him to wavedrop from it best (very good for the rob mu I find).I'm updating my answer to this thread. Now, in my state, we run 8 stages. YS/SV/BF/PS2/DL as neutrals, and GHZ/FoD/FD as CP's. 9 times out of 10, my first ban will be YS(exceptions are characters like Falcon) because it's one of my least favorite stages as Luigi. After that, PS2 and Dreamland are where I will attempt to steer towards, as I believe those to be his best 2 stages for the majority of matchups. After that, my 2 bans are usually YS and GHZ and if PS2 and DL aren't available, you'll probably see me go FD or SV, especially against Fox/Wolf/Marth.
It simply boils down to Luigi being best on large stages. Platforms are also nice (which is why DL is his best), but the most important thing is to have a ton of room for movement as that is his neutral game. Now if you're in a MU against someone who wins the neutral more often and you need to kill them off of 1-2 big punishes or you need to limit their movement, a small stage with platforms is also a good choice. I like FoD vs Falcon/Falco/Diddy a lot.
TL;DR: Dreamland and PS2 are his best stages imo. FD and FoD are very good in a few matchups.
Marths usually ban Dreamland so I can never really go to it. Same with FD/GHZ for fox.I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Yeah, Luigi likes small blast zones. But I feel so stuffed on YS. I find it very odd that YS would be your best stage against Marth. That seems like a prime example of a matchup where Dreamland is boss. Marthritis is real on that stage. Of course, I just go Link cause Marth is still super bad for Luigi. PS2 is probably the best of both worlds for Luigi. Space to move around, ideal platform layout, Small blast zones. With Fox, I always go for flat stages. Luigi's combo game on spacies on flat stages is just disgusting, plus chain grabbing becomes 20x better. Falco is the only one I hesitate to take to flat stages, just because I'm still not very good at handling the horizontal pressure. I do agree that Battlefield would be better than FoD though. I really feel like Luigi is versatile on most stages depending on MU, but I just hate the super small stages. What can I say, I like to dance.
It's not something you see very often since fox's know how to di it. It's possible for sure, but you also have to vary wavedash length constnatly in combination with jc grabs. it just requires a really fast reaction time. And true, but at the same time, fox also has the ability to juggle luigi for an incredibly long time with uairs. And FD also doesn't help his air game in the slightest since he can't any boosts from platforms to approach from above. Smashville is also a good choice. I go FoD because of the higher ceiling and smaller side zones, so upsmash/uair kills won't be too much of a problem there.Well, how it usually works is I start with Link. If I win game 1, Fox is super likely to CP a flat stage. Then I switch to Weegee. If he wins game 1, he's probably not gonna ban FD/GHZ against Link, leaving it open for me to CP as Weegee. But that's just me being grimy. Sure, Luigi's FD shenanigans vs. Fox aren't quite on Marth levels, but they're incredibly potent and disgusting at times. The chaingrab, while not easy, is still at its best on FD, especially with the ability to extend it with wavedashes. But it's not just the chaingrabs. Without platforms, Fox has so few ways to break Luigi's insane punishes. In your scenario, where the Fox has banned FD/GHZ, I would simply go to Smashville, but that's just me.
As for Marth, again, I just play Link here, but if I was playing Luigi, yeah, he bans Dreamland, but there still has to be so many better options than YS imo. Even if you like it for Luigi, Marth is just too freaking good on that stage. Especially considering how meh he is on large stages. FD/Delfino/PS2/even Smashville would be better imo.
What do you think about Lucario/Wolf/Rob? What stages do you like vs. them?