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BRAWL+ Character Ratings
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KarateF22
Smash Journeyman
Just to point out, a grab is a form of punish K.O. for the ice climbers... as such ice climbers shouldnt have an F for punishing, as if they land a grab due to an opponent's mistake, they can theoretically finish them with their evil grab game... even from 0%. should be more like B or C. However, Ice climbers should get a D, not a C, for gimp resistance. In certain situations its EXTREMELY easy to gimp ice climbers. They are: When seperated, when one is under hitstun and the other isnt (disallows cooperative up+B and side+b moves). and when simply SoPo (solo popo). For resilience, the ability to resist most if not all chain grabs very well due to having a second character model to attack with when grabbed warrants them a B (it can sometimes interrupt normal chains too, if an attack ahppens to hit one but not the other... your free to attack). The only reason they dont have an A is due to the fact that when seperated their resilence is pretty mediocre.
Everything else seems pretty much right.... their gimping is pretty horrid... the only thing you can do is mindgame their air dodge into a fair spike... good luck with that. The one thing that MAY give them a D instead of F for gimping is the fact that their bair is pretty fast and hits hard for the speed it comes out with decent (but not great) range. It can KO at 80-120%
Everything else seems pretty much right.... their gimping is pretty horrid... the only thing you can do is mindgame their air dodge into a fair spike... good luck with that. The one thing that MAY give them a D instead of F for gimping is the fact that their bair is pretty fast and hits hard for the speed it comes out with decent (but not great) range. It can KO at 80-120%
Because E is for Scrubs.
goodoldganon
Smash Champion
I assume it is going by a school grading system.
CloneHat
Smash Champion
That's not fair! Why no E!? You're being cheap!
Ussi
Smash Legend
You know, this grading system isn't working that great... What if we ranked the characters in a "tier" for each ability and graded it from there .I believe the "tier" list would make a good relative standing of people understanding why their character got a certain grade when they see what characters are above him/her. And No posting "X character is better than Y Character" without solid reasons why comparing both characters to the whole cast.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
updated. check it out.
Because E is for Scrubs. Duh.
Magic word is tier. This word is no good.
Whats making this grading system so hard is that people fail to understand this is a bell curve. Someone has to be the best/worst at something.
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Zodac
Smash Journeyman
Re-do all the spacing, it's all wrong
adding E grade would make alot more sense
adding E grade would make alot more sense
GirugaMarc
Smash Apprentice
mario's everything needs to be lowered down one letter grade tbh <<"
He is indeed, the 'average' character of smash
and what everyone else keeps saying about the spacing
it's wrong
He is indeed, the 'average' character of smash
and what everyone else keeps saying about the spacing
it's wrong
That and A - F is more traditional if we're going by letter grades.
I beg to differ. he may be a jack of trades, and has his average qualities, but he excels at alot ie Combos (cue my sig) and gimping (cue cape and fludd and fireballs)
His defense is average, but his offense is anything but par.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
can you explain what's wrong with the spacing scores?
cobaltblue
Smash Journeyman
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The thing is the ice climbers grab is hard to land and can be made a non issue if the opponent gets rid of the cpu. Since no other character in the game has such reliance on another character I would argue that the throw is puts them in the F catagory (assuming that is the only way they can gimp people).
Ussi
Smash Legend
I 2nd this statement. What is wrong? Everyone's score is fairly accurate. With projectiles + range + speed the grading makes sense.
D
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Ice climbers should have at least a C or a B in spacing, that's basically what blizzard, and to a certain extent squall hammer are for. Maybe a D in gimping because of their bair...
Edit: nah F is pretty accurate.
Edit: nah F is pretty accurate.
I think ICs are a C in spacing, as blizzard doesn't serve as a good spacing tool imo.
Ussi
Smash Legend
If IC's were good at spacing, they'd get grabs more.
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Makes me think that they should be a D now, but I'm a nice guy, so I stick by my C, but if anyone argues higher...
ILL GIVE THEM SUCH A PINCH.
Zodac
Smash Journeyman
can you explain what's wrong with the spacing scores?
ok falcon (F) vs. jiggs (D)
better spacing:
falcon: down b
side B
up tilt
foward tilt
Down tilt
down smash
foward smash
grab
all his aerials i think (although b air and f air for jiggs are weird)
pretty much his whole moveset
falcon = up atleast a grade, 2 would be better.
jiggs = F, horrible spacing
fox = an F, what's so bad about his spacing?
lucas and ness = 1 grade lower atleast, it's one of their main issue's
samus = 1 grade lower atleast, maybe 2.
DK = uber spacing, A+
ike = up a grade atleast, more like 2, whole moveset is good range, + uber jab at close
link = atleast 1 grade up, more like 2, his sword is long.
G dorf = is not that bad, up a grade
zelda = is an A? but Dk isn't WTF?, down 1
toon link = sword is short, how on earth does he having better spacing than big sword reg link? down 1 at least (his like ness, long range effective moves are lacking, but once his close his ok)
diddy kong = an A? Does he even have a long range move? biggest wtf yet, down 2 at least, maybe even 3.
ok falcon (F) vs. jiggs (D)
better spacing:
falcon: down b
side B
up tilt
foward tilt
Down tilt
down smash
foward smash
grab
all his aerials i think (although b air and f air for jiggs are weird)
pretty much his whole moveset
falcon = up atleast a grade, 2 would be better.
jiggs = F, horrible spacing
fox = an F, what's so bad about his spacing?
lucas and ness = 1 grade lower atleast, it's one of their main issue's
samus = 1 grade lower atleast, maybe 2.
DK = uber spacing, A+
ike = up a grade atleast, more like 2, whole moveset is good range, + uber jab at close
link = atleast 1 grade up, more like 2, his sword is long.
G dorf = is not that bad, up a grade
zelda = is an A? but Dk isn't WTF?, down 1
toon link = sword is short, how on earth does he having better spacing than big sword reg link? down 1 at least (his like ness, long range effective moves are lacking, but once his close his ok)
diddy kong = an A? Does he even have a long range move? biggest wtf yet, down 2 at least, maybe even 3.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
so zodac, i take it you didn't read the OP.
Zodac
Smash Journeyman
Spacing - The character's ability to use attacks to maintain the optimal distance from an enemy.
so how is jiggs better than falcon, he can just up tilt and it will out range anything she has.
your description of spacing is wrong on the op, that's the real problem
edit: jiggs spacing on ground: F
jiggs spacing in air with f air/b air: D
"She move so well in the air"
that comes under mobilty
so how is jiggs better than falcon, he can just up tilt and it will out range anything she has.
your description of spacing is wrong on the op, that's the real problem
edit: jiggs spacing on ground: F
jiggs spacing in air with f air/b air: D
"She move so well in the air"
that comes under mobilty
I agree with almost all of this, But jiggz has great spaceing zodac. She move so well in the air she can easily keep people at bay wth reteating bair/fair. You must be thinking of her F worthy ground spaceing. She deserves a D atleast.
You are very right about the rest, Link for instance is only playable because of his ability to keep people away with AAA combos boomerangs and zairs.(wow I can't belive I missed that dk mistake. He has insane spaceing with his well most everything. All his tilts, AA all his smashes, Bair anyone. Hes a spaceing beast.)
Ussi
Smash Legend
The only reason Dk and Ike aren't the highest in spacing is because of projectiles. And Ike is slow, so his spacing is much harder. Take it from an Ike main.
I'd say since TL has a better mobility, it helps him projectile camp and weave in and out. In a sense, better mobility = better spacing ability.
I'd say since TL has a better mobility, it helps him projectile camp and weave in and out. In a sense, better mobility = better spacing ability.
Ussi
Smash Legend
I said ability, not spacing in general. Falcon and Fox do not have a moveset that can space. They are GET IN YOUR FACE type of characters being the opposite of spacing. DDD has a spacing moveset. Imagine if DDD has mobility, his spacing would be broken then.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
my definition for spacing pertains to the ability to keep people away from you.
CloneHat
Smash Champion
Spacing isn't solely attack range. Even in that case, Falcon only has one long-range attack, the up tilt, and it's laggy. If you think things like the knee are spacing attacks, well, ummm....cool.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
Is this in any specific order?
Ussi
Smash Legend
Nope, this is just an evaluation on character ability.
KarateF22
Smash Journeyman
I said punish KO... punish KOs are when the opponent does something laggy and leaves themselves open for an attack (or grab) it is simply the ability to utilize an opening to the fullest effect.
Closing this thread, as per a request of the OP
While I have to say I thought this thread was useless in the first place, I would be interested in seeing some form of matchup list as part of a community thing. Provided it was easy to see and understand. And only filled in when values were generally accepted, instead of just taking a rough guess at matchups the player was inexperienced in.jiang said:
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