Brawl dash dance or illusion?

[Dynomite]

** If this thread must be closed for any reason i dont mind, better to have gotten an answer by posting and getting locked then wondering what REALLY happened and if we can use this in actual matches **

I was messing around with brawl at 3:00 AM and found that marth was acting a bit funny, then i saw this. I immediately paused the game and saved the replay.

NOTE: I DID have homebrew on ONLY for tags on replay and infinite replay i am 100% sure there were no other modifications.

Could this be used in real play?
Only bot's luck?
Worth learning it?
What really is it?

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS_CTUaNV1U

 

[Mota]

Wow I've never seen that before in Brawl...

Do you know how it's performed?

 

[Sosuke]

Computers are trippy. >_>

 

[Afropony]

Sometimes when I grab someone or get grabbed that happens, I don't think it's anything special just the game going a bit weird.

 

[Ochobobo]

Sometimes when I grab someone or get grabbed that happens, I don't think it's anything special just the game going a bit weird.

I think you're talking about something like Sheik's dashgrab on Ivysaur. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9wjVVtVcnE

This could just be something only Marth can do with GW...

 

[superyoshi888]

Actually, I've seen computers do that all of the time. It's just them being weird.

 

[Dantarion]

The computer is walking, the stopping walking, then starting again, what looks like every other frame

The CPU's often get confused with movement on battlefield, especially when trying to avoid attacks.
The platforms really throw them off.

For example, sometimes on smashville, the cpu will just run and jump on the platform, reguardless of where it is.

 

[NEWCOMER: Shadow Kirby]

Actually, this has happened to my own controls once when I was playing WiFi with some guy...

I was running with my Kirby, trying to avoid a FS...then, that happened to me. I tried to dash, but he did the same thing: Walk, stop, walk, stop. I just removed my Nunchuk, then put it back in, and, it was fixed.

 

[ShadowLink84]

yeah ive seen them do this weird crouchning bit. I'll have to dig through the replays for it though @_@

 

[Skadorski]

I think it's more like a controler malfunction than a glitch.
I have a Wireless controler that tilts a little to the right and this happens. The reason computers do this is most likely a glitch where they just freeze. And it doesn't do anything helpful except make your friend go HOLY- QUIT LET'S REPLAY THIS!
Edit: Yeah what Dantarion said, those Battlefield platforms mess them up. I've seen computers crouching every 2 secconds there.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Idk if this is like that video, but sometimes when I grab near the ledge on certain stages, the computer will like vibrate back and forth... Can someone alse prove or disprove of this???

 

[Nestec]

Why are CPUs so frickin creepy??
X_X

 

[Dynomite]

Hmm sounds like believable guesses made by you guys.

Any way you guys think it can help the competitive scene? A new AT?

btw, i was using a gamecube controller, i dont see how that might help anything considering i was G&W but i guess ill add that bit of info just for the hell of it.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

When ness grabs olimar on a ledge it happens sometimes.

 

[Merce]

If it's possible to emulate it probably takes a lot of finesse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AA5Pm4oROs

Maybe a inhumanly fast version of flinching? Hold attack + tilt the c-stick (from what the user's comments say... haven't tested it).

 

[HizoSturm]

ive seen that tons of times. it even happens to me. i dont really pay attention to it.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Sorry, man. This IS known, but pretty obscure. There's a video how to do it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJPmyYBQ2CQ
Also I love you.

 

[Dynomite]

I would have to disagree with the opinion that it is flinching. i tested out flinching with marth and as much as i mash and how fast i mash diagonal C while holding A he still doesn't move as fast as the CPU does.. i dont think its a speed thing. I think that flinching has a slower start/stop animation then what the bot was doing. although flinching looks very similar.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Hm...I think you're right...Well...CPUs have always been able to do weird dash-dance stuff. I think you just caught one of those. I wish you all the luck in the world recreating it, but honestly, I think it's just something that we'll never be able to do...

 

[person701]

I would have to disagree with the opinion that it is flinching. i tested out flinching with marth and as much as i mash and how fast i mash diagonal C while holding A he still doesn't move as fast as the CPU does.. i dont think its a speed thing. I think that flinching has a slower start/stop animation then what the bot was doing. although flinching looks very similar.

Gotta remember sometimes too, computers pull off wierd stuff... or do wierd stuff.

 

[HizoSturm]

i once saw a CPU moon walk ... i was like WTF!!! O_o

 

[Bimz]

its this thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzTA8SkBoUE
just tilt the analog stick to the side SLIGHTLY

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I suppose that ends the mystery. THe CPU simply had a defective controller at the time

 

[person701]

its this thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzTA8SkBoUE
just tilt the analog stick to the side SLIGHTLY

So if it's done like this video, all it is is the abuse of the changing between standing and "tiptoe" frames. I don't see a use for it

 

[iDeo]

It looks like just a glitch of some sort.

 

[Dynomite]

everyone that sais this is a CPU thing and cant be done in real life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-awyAAQ3Rj8

if SWD wasnt discoverd at this time then we would have thaught that that can only be done by CPUs only TOO.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

This isnt useful at all.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[UberMario]

It's pretty useless, but it's funny. Maybe you could use it to temporarily confuse your opponent. LOL

 

[Dynomite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-mOKRoJ04 (skip to 1:40 if you want to see the best part)

It's very possible for a human to do, good luck finding a use for it though

thanks for the link, how is it done tho. a use for it.. LOL chances of using it are slim, but i guess you can show it off a lil on wifi or in between stock to make yourself look BA

 

[TEECO]

Dang, thats kinda wierd. Looks like the glitch that happens when you grab sometimes...

My best guess it that hungrybox was playing that marth for that split second and he did a dash dance.
His brawl dash dances are broken, best on the east coast.

 

[<π]

Sheik's probably purty beastly...

whats happening is you are entering the walk animation for a frame or two and then returning to the walk animation. with some characters like wolf (and I'm guessing sheik as well) their walking animation is very different from their idle so that change is very sudden espeacially the return to idle. Other characters like the useless zelda it is barely noticeable. could be nice for baiting rolls and dodges without actually putting yourself in harms way.

I didn't even think about this I may start trying to encorperate it more since it is safer than dash dancing.

 

[Uffe]

So if it's done like this video, all it is is the abuse of the changing between standing and "tiptoe" frames. I don't see a use for it

To pretend that you're going to attack. I don't think this is a glitch. You want a glitch, check this.

 

[JUDGE]

yeah cpu's forever^^

but i don't think that a human player can do this...

 

[Skadorski]

yeah cpu's forever^^

but i don't think that a human player can do this...

I'm 100% sure humans can, I've done it like 5 times before, but it's only going to happen if your controler is tilting torward an direction.
Unless your shaking uncontrolably

 

[j0s3ph]

I've never done it myself but my CPUs do it sometimes. I thought they were just doing an uber-quick dash dance

 

[Dynomite]

Dang, thats kinda wierd. Looks like the glitch that happens when you grab sometimes...

My best guess it that hungrybox was playing that marth for that split second and he did a dash dance.
His brawl dash dances are broken, best on the east coast.

Hbox never came to GA to show me his moves (brawl) he has made it for melee to get beat by dark rain. hope he knows that fullmetal is hosting tipped off 5, i would like to show up for melee friendlys but i suck hard at it. meaning i dont know ANY matchups, some ATs here and there that are common like l cancle and wavedash but thats it.

Sheik's probably purty beastly...

whats happening is you are entering the walk animation for a frame or two and then returning to the walk animation. with some characters like wolf (and I'm guessing sheik as well) their walking animation is very different from their idle so that change is very sudden espeacially the return to idle. Other characters like the useless zelda it is barely noticeable. could be nice for baiting rolls and dodges without actually putting yourself in harms way.

I didn't even think about this I may start trying to encorperate it more since it is safer than dash dancing.

Exactly! thanks.. <3

all we need now is the now to. <3

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[Tianxiazhai]

Tiemz to master.

 

[GwJ]

I've seen that before. It's just the CPU lightly tapping right over and over very quickly. Easy to do, just not that fast.