Brawl+ Ness (SEVENTEEN ****ETY THREE)

[Lil'E]

It's pretty well agreed on that:

Fair is too good;
PKT1 endlag (any hitbox collision) is way too low

Can it be agreed that its original endlag was too high then?

 

[PKNintendo]

Yeah. PKT1 needs a balance. Maybe like a 15% increase. Also Count or Shanus did you guys locate the problem on PK flash?

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

Maybe they were DIing the fair incorrectly....

 

[thesage]

I think the pkt1 endlag is fine =/

 

[JCaesar]

*shakes head*

You see, this is why Ness+ mains are the laughing stock of the community...

 

[CloneHat]

Just make the fair so it doesn't pop you straight up about 2 inches, setting up for a REALLY easy combo.

Raise the KB, and it's fine.

 

[GHNeko]

*shakes head*

You see, this is why Ness+ mains are the laughing stock of the community...

Ness+ mains are a meme.

 

[Mattnumbers]

*shakes head*

You see, this is why Ness+ mains are the laughing stock of the community...

Except the change that's bad was the Fair change which wasn't even ours?

The other changes are fine.

Ness mains are looked down on because people now expect Ness mains to do stupid things, and thus notice more when they make any sort of mistake.

Good thing I'm only a Ness Secondary.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

I'm completely comfortable with my sexualerm character preference.

Also vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qc0jFT52YM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OETzkx-RNNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3AOQ8bR8Zg
Still more to come

and I agree that pkt1 is fine as is....if it were melee thunder at that speed it would be a problem, but it isnt, so its fine

 

[PKNintendo]

Melee Thunder speed?


Was it fast?

 

[Mattnumbers]

He's saying if the move had attributes from melee speeding it up would be OP, but it doesn't so it's not.

 

[prOAPC]

i like what you did with DJC, i like that it is optional and doesn't mess up his recovery

 

[thesage]

Simna: use zap jump to recover. It goes really far.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

Yeah...admittedly I forgot about zap jump the entire day that I was playing with skstylez

 

[RPGsFTW]

Would someone please tell me what zap jumping is? I've been ignoring it so long, but I'm kind of annoyed now that I don't know what it is. I don't know if I even know what it looks like whenever I watch a Brawl+ Ness match.

 

[thesage]

double jump and do fair at the same time. Make sure to hold the button down.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-LUsWvCX7o

Still more on the way over a period of however long it takes for me to get them out at 2-4 per day

EDIT: in case anyone was wondering, all of my matches vs. skstylez are offline, in-person friendlies

 

[Alphatron]

*shakes head*

You see, this is why Ness+ mains are the laughing stock of the community...

Which is funny, because they weren't whining this time around.

Anyway, it seems as tho the no change rule has been discarded? How sad.

And I agree on telling us what the angle and SDI difference simply does.

 

[ChaosKnight]

the nochange rule sholdnt be discarded -.- god should i even take brawl+ seriously anymore? it seems more of a joke now

 

[thesage]

I also agree that no changes should be made for awhile, just bringing up what should be happening in the next build =/

 

[Mattnumbers]

I think they should still patch in bug fixes and stage changes, and maybe one small set of character changes.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

I think that not only should they not make changes for a while to the official 5.0 build, but (to encourage more people to use it) they should also not release any nightly builds during the time that they aren't changing 5.0

EDIT: Stage fixes are fine I guess. Imagine....Port Town Aero Dive could be a legal counterpick if only the cars had lower damage and kbg

 

[JCaesar]

http://www.youtube.com/user/JCaesar007

Many vids of Cape's gay-*** Ness going up as we speak. All against Atomsk and me. Enjoy.

 

[shanus]

http://www.youtube.com/user/JCaesar007

Many vids of Cape's gay-*** Ness going up as we speak. All against Atomsk and me. Enjoy.

If that was to prove anything, it failed miserably lol

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

are these online or offline?

 

[Thunderhorse+]

Offline, at Chu's Melee bi-weekly last Friday.

Also dayum Jayceez, uploading Ness videos? I thought you had a policy against that .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAlLBXm4Ygk

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

i dont like the current 2 videos that are up

 

[The Cape]

If that was to prove anything, it failed miserably lol

Atomosk is one of the best players in the country and tells me he beat Yes's Fox pretty consistantly with his Falco and JCaesar has over 20 hours against my Ness so has gotten a good feel for how it plays.

However, you want to keep saying it sucks I am sure we can MM at BtL2 and I can give you a similar beating to the first one.

 

[CloneHat]

Atomosk doesn't SHFF Laser, or really laser in general in any of those videos.

 

[shanus]

Atomosk is one of the best players in the country and tells me he beat Yes's Fox pretty consistantly with his Falco and JCaesar has over 20 hours against my Ness so has gotten a good feel for how it plays.

However, you want to keep saying it sucks I am sure we can MM at BtL2 and I can give you a similar beating to the first one.

I won't be at BtL2 but we can Ness ditto MM whenever we meet again.

I'm just saying that if they are justifying your ness as broken then its plain silly. Your ness does not vary in approach, doesn't nail nearly as many combos as it could (you seriously need to use DJC more), and your PKT1 variety wasn't that good. Your ness can definitely improve.

Now regarding the point of my post. In the matches where you were against atomsk, a lot of his deaths were fairly stupid mistakes on his part. In many stocks, he also was dominating you. He had periods of 90%+ flawless combos on you showing it could anyone's game in that battle. I was expecting some consistently 2-3 stocks every time hearing about this beast ness, and instead saw close matches. Hence why I said, "these matches prove nothing" except that you put up a better fight against Atomsk than Yes!

Also, Atomsk has loads of room for improvement on his falco too, making the matches even more invalid as such. Both players clearly aren't playing the characters at the peak of their playstyle. I don't mean any offense to your or Atomsk when I say it, either. Its fairly obvious, really.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

More vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0KzO0vMXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sMfgP8DSEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIImQk0xOc

Still more to come

 

[Thunderhorse+]

Atomosk doesn't SHFF Laser, or really laser in general in any of those videos.

It's not really not using lasers that's the problem per say, it's more that he never correctly SHFFed his lasers once, probably attempting to do it Melee-style.

Don't get me wrong though, he's still very good. He's got great mindgames/prediction/reading/whatever, most likely why he excels at vBrawl. But from a technical standpoint he did leave something to be desired.

I should have probably put that in another thread though.

Ness is gay. No ***** *** Ness. blahblahblahblah.

 

[GHNeko]

More vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0KzO0vMXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sMfgP8DSEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIImQk0xOc

Still more to come

Put these up on AiB. :V

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

i would put them on there faster, but AiB loads poopily....i will get them up there eventually tho

 

[CloneHat]

After watching those vids, one thing pisses me off about Ness's fair. It always combos. At any percent.

You get hit with a fair, getting hit with another aerial is GUARANTEED. This applies all the way to killing percents...

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

After watching those vids, one thing pisses me off about Ness's fair. It always combos. At any percent.

You get hit with a fair, getting hit with another aerial is GUARANTEED. This applies all the way to killing percents...

Try experimenting with DI

Remember you can Di each individual hit of the fair and not just the final one

 

[CountKaiser]

Blah

Is my new fair neccesary? I was under the impression that it was.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

maybe CK....hold onto it....we'll know later

 

[shanus]

Blah

Is my new fair neccesary? I was under the impression that it was.

pretty much...

 

[Alphatron]

the nochange rule sholdnt be discarded -.- god should i even take brawl+ seriously anymore? it seems more of a joke now

The only joke is Ness, man. ;_;

Edit: About the fair comboing from any percent...see Ivy dsmash, Zelda dtilt, DDD dair, ZSS dsmash, ZSS Nuetral B, and probably a few others. Just saying.