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[cookieM0Nster]

I could make the move Ultimate Falcon Punch lol

 

[Revven]

Going with the whole "trade off thing." I personally don't see why that is the only way to deal with buffs and nerfs. Just buffing or just nerfing is also fine. He has a pretty good recovery already there is no need for it to be even better.

Taking away the Fair change would make Snake mains angry. It was a real ***** to even get them to accept the nerfs, otherwise, people would have killed us. You must understand this kupo.

 

[timothyung]

Going with the whole "trade off thing." I personally don't see why that is the only way to deal with buffs and nerfs. Just buffing or just nerfing is also fine. He has a pretty good recovery already there is no need for it to be even better.

When I think about it again, it hardly buffs his recovery... but GoG said it did.

Also cookiemonster: By Ultimate, it must be very cinematic with close up cameras when it connects, slow downs, one-hit KO, non-shield-able, ultra long hitlag (5 seconds anyone?), no-SDI, huge range, but long start-up time. You can make the start up a whole 3 seconds, and Falcon can be hit out of it, but not when the hitbox is out. But the range will be huge, and covers a whole FD in front of CF. Also he must say Show me ya moves after that.

 

[MK26]

great, thanks shanus

...

brawlplus.net says the character-specific portion of the changelist is outdated...is this the same list as the one on there?

EDIT: what exactly does "-Special offensive flags changed from 204FFFC3->004FFFC3" mean?

 

[5ive]

Love Marth. Also love the no thunder nerfs part.
<3 you guys.

 

[timothyung]

It means the one here is updated while this is not.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I actually love the Peach dair nerf for some reason...it's a legitimate nerf (that was deserved because the new up b and forward smash are so sexy), and yet I can still use it in the exact same ways I do before. :D

although I have one suggestion. I know this isn't supposed to be melee 2.0, but in melee, when peach landed with her parasol closed, she had nearly NO landing lag.


So think the lag shortening should be switched. make it so landing while CLOSED having 2x faster recovery. Because, if you're forced to land on the stage with her Up b, you wanna land as soon as possible, a.k.a landing while closed.


...and lots of people are complaining.....

And no matter what we do to this game, this will NEVER be melee 2.0. Brawl is just too different from Melee to ever be similar. >.>

I like the melee-esque Sheik needle charge D:

 

[timothyung]

IIRC there's little landing lag if it's closed

 

[SymphonicSage12]

wrong. "Up-B (Descent):
-Opening and closing of umbrella increased to 1.2x speed
-Landing with umbrella up and open at 2x speed."


the landing lag is only shortened when the parasol is open, currently.


Landing while closed still has a TON of lag.


...unless you meant in melee, where yeah, it's not instant. But it was really quick.


EDIT: Mattnumbers..that's kinda dumb IMO...it would make more sense to have less lag while closed. And it would be more useful.

 

[Mattnumbers]

I actually love the Peach dair nerf for some reason...it's a legitimate nerf (that was deserved because the new up b and forward smash are so sexy), and yet I can still use it in the exact same ways I do before. :D

although I have one suggestion. I know this isn't supposed to be melee 2.0, but in melee, when peach landed with her parasol closed, she had nearly NO landing lag.


So think the lag shortening should be switched. make it so landing while CLOSED having 2x faster recovery. Because, if you're forced to land on the stage with her Up b, you wanna land as soon as possible, a.k.a landing while closed.


...and lots of people are complaining.....

And no matter what we do to this game, this will NEVER be melee 2.0. Brawl is just too different from Melee to ever be similar. >.>

I like the melee-esque Sheik needle charge D:

The whole point of it having less lag when opened is so that it requires you to think and open it right before you hit the ground to avoid lag.

 

[[TSON]]

Can you please not force me to use button jump on Yoshi/Ness if I want to hit while moving upwards <_<;

 

[SymphonicSage12]

open up the pac yourself and fix it.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

Parasol being out having less lag is better, since it requires more skill. With this, you have to know when to time bring out the parasol as you fast-fall towards the ground to get the least amount of lag.

As for Sheik's needles, the Melee system had it perfectly. With Melee-style needles, you can release non-fully-charged needles faster, since you don't have to double-press the B-button. But that's not as important as the other reason: it allows you to use Needles to turn around in the air while you have a Needle Storm fully charged.

And speaking of canceling charges in the air, there's been one thing that's been bother me. The way canceling charge moves with shield in the air works differently for charge moves that were in Melee than those that are new. It's like they used the same coding for the old moves while coding the new moves differently.
Let me elaborate: moves like Sheik's needles, DK's charge punch, etc., when canceled in the air, simply cancels. But new moves like Mario's FLUDD and Lucario's Aura Sphere, when canceled in the air, forces you to air dodge.
It would be awesome if these new charge moves didn't force you to air dodge when canceled in the air!

 

[SymphonicSage12]

needle canceling is even sexier with the needle change. D:


and I have another suggestion:

Ness's double jump cancel is perfect...he can do any aerial from an instantaneous DJC. (by that I mean a DJC as soon as you can)


but yoshi's...if you DJC as soon as possible, the only aerial you can do out of it is his uair. With very good timing.

So can you fix it so he can do his other aerials out of it please?


by this I mean that the hitboxes don't come out in time before he hits the ground. and I don't want to have to jump and wait a bit before DJC. >.>

 

[Mattnumbers]

needle canceling is even sexier with the needle change. D:


and I have another suggestion:

Ness's double jump cancel is perfect...he can do any aerial from an instantaneous DJC. (by that I mean a DJC as soon as you can)


but yoshi's...if you DJC as soon as possible, the only aerial you can do out of it is his uair. With very good timing.

So can you fix it so he can do his other aerials out of it please?


by this I mean that the hitboxes don't come out in time before he hits the ground. and I don't want to have to jump and wait a bit before DJC. >.>

The whole reason he can't do it is because the moves are too slow, and the only way to change that would be to make them all really fast, which is not happening. Your just going to have to time your DJC to be as low as possible when the hitbox comes out.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

awww...ok.... poor yoshi...


Anyways, the Dedede trippy smash (lolz) is kind of lolz. It completely wrecks edge-campers who stay at the side of the stage. :D

 

[Perfect Chaos]

Seriously people, quit saying stuff that essentially equals "buff this so that it becomes an easy-button for me!"

 

[CloneHat]

You can't run from Dedede.

I love it.

 

[dabridge]

lol, metaknight+ feels like vBrawl metaknight because of all the hitlag. vBrawl users rejoice!

Everyone feels perfect now imo, 'cept Marth, he's terrible now. I liked fastfaller Marth and overpowered gay marth more than this one. :/

Again though, everyone else is perfect, gj

 

[twiblets]

this build looks awesome. is a pal version in the works?

 

[Revven]

this build looks awesome. is a pal version in the works?

No.

10chars.

 

[WheelOfFish]

I think that people need to stop asking for changes and go play the game.

 

[timothyung]

lol, metaknight+ feels like vBrawl metaknight because of all the hitlag. vBrawl users rejoice!

Everyone feels perfect now imo, 'cept Marth, he's terrible now. I liked fastfaller Marth and overpowered gay marth more than this one. :/

Again though, everyone else is perfect, gj

Marth should not be a fastfaller >.>
And his fastfall speed is not decreased, but he's a bit more floaty. That means more recovery and he is harder to be comboed.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I call the SS12 combo which is Peach down throw to up smash on most everyone, and then down throw > uair on floaties
D:

 

[PrinceOfDalaam]

Oh man, I love this new version, especially DJC! and the wario pummel- very nice!

But why is there so much hitlag on some moves?

 

[SymphonicSage12]

because we increased the hitlag on a lot of moves.

 

[PrinceOfDalaam]

Yeah but, why was the hitlag increase even needed?

 

[Alphatron]

open up the pac yourself and fix it.

A brilliant idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before?!

-_-

If you guys can't change it now or are trying to figure it out, then fine. But just leaving the DJC like this instead is just going: Hey you! All you who don't use the jump button to jump! Yeah, **** you! Change your playstyle cuz we said so!

 

[cAm8ooo]

I call the SS12 combo which is Peach down throw to up smash on most everyone, and then down throw > uair on floaties
D:

Sorry. I dont think anyone is going to call a combo something after you but you just go ahead and call it that.

 

[[TSON]]

A brilliant idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before?!

-_-

If you guys can't change it now or are trying to figure it out, then fine. But just leaving the DJC like this instead is just going: Hey you! All you who don't use the jump button to jump! Yeah, **** you! Change your playstyle cuz we said so!

inb4loltapjumpersarejustlikenessmains

 

[Alphatron]

Wasn't Wario coin pummel in bbrawl first?

 

[Mattnumbers]

A brilliant idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before?!

-_-

If you guys can't change it now or are trying to figure it out, then fine. But just leaving the DJC like this instead is just going: Hey you! All you who don't use the jump button to jump! Yeah, **** you! Change your playstyle cuz we said so!

It's really not hard at all to change to a different jump button, I've done it multiple times. The hardest thing is when you don't play with tap jump on and then you try to play with it on but still not using it to jump, and you obviously don't have to deal with that.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

the thing is that tap jump is inferior. >.>

press the y or x button is better in like, every way.

Not to be mean, but what hardcore vbrawl enthusiast uses tap jump?

 

[BeepBopRobot]

I call the SS12 combo which is Peach down throw to up smash on most everyone, and then down throw > uair on floaties
D:

Dthrow to usmash was known long ago.

Also it doesn't even work on people who di correctly, unless that was changed in the most recent build.

 

[CloneHat]

the thing is that tap jump is inferior. >.>

press the y or x button is better in like, every way.

Not to be mean, but what hardcore vbrawl enthusiast uses tap jump?

-_-

Usmash OOS is harder and Up B OOS is ridiculous.

 

[Alphatron]

the thing is that tap jump is inferior. >.>

press the y or x button is better in like, every way.

Not to be mean, but what hardcore vbrawl enthusiast uses tap jump?

People like me who have played since Smash64 who have always used the control stick to jump and short hop with no problem. I don't own a GC controller. A+B to grab is stupid as hell and the one thing I hated about nunchuck.

Hey, you guys should all play w/ nunchucks. Changing cntrl pref. is so easy!!

 

[MK26]

-_-

Usmash OOS is harder and Up B OOS is ridiculous.

Change jump to Z. Problem solved. (holding R, and pressing up, B, and Z at the same time = lol buttons)

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I don't find JC up smash or out of shield up be or out of shield up smash any hard with y to jump.


:V


and falco down throw > boost smash up smash is sexy.

 

[Sterowent]

You can't run from Dedede.

I love it.

hah, strangely enough, it works on every surface. you on a platform?




on another note, i started using tap jump back when lucario got that ES technique. couldn't use the upB from the ground, is all.

 

[Alphatron]

Personal experience ftw. GC is a better controller since everyone ever owned a GC and melee and muscle memory, blah blah.