Captain Falcon is NOT the worst character in the game

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Captain Falcon is now 23rd in Tournament Results with a second place finish at a large tournament.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

Probably not the worst character in the game.

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[Super-Donovan-64]

Whoever says a character is "the worst" Doesn't know crap.

Lemme put it this way; You know how Mewtwo is on the bottom of the melee tier list and Fox is on the top, right?

It's quite possible for Mewtwo to win.

Each character can be played well.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

Falcon works well if Chuck Norris use it

Seriusly, tier list is a crap, good players focus in his favorite character to make it unstoppable, maybe someday will appear a legendary falcon player and pwn everyone in an important tourney while this song is playing in our heads

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SxVtf6Nk0

Captain Falcon is the coolest character in the game he is in the top of cool tier list

Tier lists just atract people to a select group of "good" characters. You know what? I hope he is bottom tier so that I can be one of the few people on Earth to main Falcon and be good with him.

Not like Metaknight. EVERYBODY uses him! I'm not even kidding. I just wouldn't feel dignified using the same character that millions of other poeple use, as to Falcon were only a few thousand poeple may ever main him.

 

[Pink-eye]

^^^^^smash brothers 2008, why isnt zero suit samus top tier???????

 

[Nintendude92z]

^^^^^smash brothers 2008, why isnt zero suit samus top tier???????

Looks like part of the sig was cut-off.

 

[Okesoke]

who ever is saying skill > char you are really off and have never been 2 a tourny. If a "skilled" player picks up snake or MK he will do naturally better then if he picked up cf... just pick snake and ftilt all day its fun.

 

[Wogrim]

who ever is saying skill > char you are really off and have never been 2 a tourny. If a "skilled" player picks up snake or MK he will do naturally better then if he picked up cf... just pick snake and ftilt all day its fun.

That just means they are easier to play as. Unless a character has an unbeatable move, skill will always be the primary factor in who is going to win, because any move has a counter. Certain characters have moves that can be beaten with fewer moves than others (such as Snake's tilts), and that is generally what makes people think of them as better, but every character has weaknesses that can be exploited.

 

[Ayaz18]

That just means they are easier to play as. Unless a character has an unbeatable move, skill will always be the primary factor in who is going to win, because any move has a counter. Certain characters have moves that can be beaten with fewer moves than others (such as Snake's tilts), and that is generally what makes people think of them as better, but every character has weaknesses that can be exploited.

sorry bro your wrong, when at a tourny top tiers will win, regardless of how much skill you have (unless you dodge every **** move), however seconding a low tier character builds your fundamental skills, so when you play a top tier character your next to unstoppable.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

^^^^^smash brothers 2008, why isnt zero suit samus top tier???????

I thought that Samus and ZSS would be considered one since they are the same person. I guess I should change it though, thanks.

 

[Wogrim]

sorry bro your wrong, when at a tourny top tiers will win, regardless of how much skill you have (unless you dodge every **** move), however seconding a low tier character builds your fundamental skills, so when you play a top tier character your next to unstoppable.

Next to unstoppable != unstoppable. Mind games > all.

 

[Kitamerby]

sorry bro your wrong, when at a tourny top tiers will win, regardless of how much skill you have (unless you dodge every **** move), however seconding a low tier character builds your fundamental skills, so when you play a top tier character your next to unstoppable.

...That's a bad way to think of it, and completely untrue.


Brawl has a very very large tourney-viable scene, as most characters are actually based upon matchups rather than beating every other character in the game (bar Snake/MK, from what I hear). The notion that only the top 3 will win is absurd.

 

[shadenexus18]

No he certainly is not.

However, he was a deviant...a god if you will on Melee. Ever since Brawl, he's definitely fallen from grace.

So no more insane combo videos of you lightning kneeing some poor Smash Mortal like 3 times in midair. Those days are long lonnnng gone. Yes, tis very depressing. I know.

 

[Wogrim]

...That's a bad way to think of it, and completely untrue.


Brawl has a very very large tourney-viable scene, as most characters are actually based upon matchups rather than beating every other character in the game (bar Snake/MK, from what I hear). The notion that only the top 3 will win is absurd.

Yeah I'd expect someone who is good with multiple characters to be able to counterpick their 'top-tier' opponent and win by just picking easy matchups. But I still think that there is a level of skill at which tiers/matchups won't matter at all (although that level is probably unattainable by 99.9% of the Smash community, and probably hasn't been reached yet by anyone in the world). Let's give the game a few years and see how the 'tiers' stand.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

Level of Importance;

1. Skill
2. Matchup
3. Tiers (maybe?)
4. How big is the tournament prize...

 

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Next to unstoppable != unstoppable. Mind games > all.

And what happens when your opponent's mind games are just as good? Now they've got everything you have and then some. Anybody can have mind games. But only Snake will ever have Snake's f-tilt, only Metaknight will ever have Metaknight's tornado. You can't "learn" a character specific advantage. A player with great mind games and a great character will always beat a player with great mind games only. Unless you're maybe 10 x better than than your competition, you need the advantage that a higher tier character offers. Whoever has the most advantages will always win. (Obviously being more skilled than your opponent is the greatest advantage, but you won't always have that luxury).

 

[SmashBrother2008]

And what happens when your opponent's mind games are just as good? Now they've got everything you have and then some. Anybody can have mind games. But only Snake will ever have Snake's f-tilt, only Metaknight will ever have Metaknight's tornado. You can't "learn" a character specific advantage. A player with great mind games and a great character will always beat a player with great mind games only. Unless you're maybe 10 x better than than your competition, you need the advantage that a higher tier character offers. Whoever has the most advantages will always win. (Obviously being more skilled than your opponent is the greatest advantage, but you won't always have that luxury).

Not really, it can also depend on how strong your opponent is. And no, I don't mean Brawl character-opponent. I mean the fat kid sitting next to you. If you can scratch his eyes out you're probably going to win. Though it's kinda useless to have prize money when your in jail...

 

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Not really, it can also depend on how strong your opponent is. And no, I don't mean Brawl character-opponent. I mean the fat kid sitting next to you. If you can scratch his eyes out you're probably going to win. Though it's kinda useless to have prize money when your in jail...

Ah but what happens when your opponent is supremely buff =)? Not all smashers are untrained in the art of self defense. Just another (dubious) advantage to add to the list.

 

[Dragonboy2k4]

...That's a bad way to think of it, and completely untrue.


Brawl has a very very large tourney-viable scene, as most characters are actually based upon matchups rather than beating every other character in the game (bar Snake/MK, from what I hear). The notion that only the top 3 will win is absurd.

Only absurd to those that arent top level players themselves. If Ken(for say)went around every single place destorying people with Metaknight,M2K and BombSoilder arent gonna sit their and pick anybody thats lower than that bar.Even if M2K isnt at his level,I for sure think he'd wanna level the playing field in order for him to increase his chances of winning,best way to do that...well you know.Unless he seen a flaw in Ken's Metaknight that he can exploit with a different character,M2K better be shuttle looping right along with him.

 

[Union of Darkness]

only Metaknight will ever have Metaknight's tornado.

Not if Kirby copies it.

10smartassremarks

 

[MarKO X]

I have a question...

If only one person were to consistently win big tourneys with a low tier character, would that character remain low tier?

 

[Tenki]

If he did it with the character's current metagame, no.

If he demonstrates some kinda crap that noone's ever seen used before and other people start using it and all of a sudden it revolutionizes the character's metagame so they start beating people, maybe.

 

[Thirtyfour]

You call me low tier one more time.....

 

[Zeallyx]

Saying tiers are more important than skill is ridiculous
Then how come snake hasn't won ALL tourney's?
This is absurd. I thought that skill > tiers was common knowledge >_>
Captain falcon can beat snake, captain falcon will beat snake!

 

[SmashBrother2008]

Smash Wikia even says that tiers are just a measure of which characters are MORE LIKELY to win, given that both players have the same amount of skill.

So Skill > Tiers

 

[Noodlehead]

i think the higher your tier is the less work you need to win.compare mk to captain falcon.i could probably get mk down in a month, but i had to practice for months for my captain falcon to be decent.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

i think the higher your tier is the less work you need to win.compare mk to captain falcon.i could probably get mk down in a month, but i had to practice for months for my captain falcon to be decent.

No, MK is button-mash freindly. When I first got Brawl I had him down in a few games. My MK can probably be better, though.

 

[GI Josh]

Umm yeah... becuase the difference between Brawl's top and bottom characters is soooo vast, right?

Brawl is the most balance SSB i've seen yet. Do you really think that the developers actually spent four years just sitting at the computers doing nothing. Sakurai focused on this entire balance issue the whole time!

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[Arigatex]

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ROFLMAO
indeed sakurai didnt spent 4 years doing nothing but a perfect balanced a game without post-release patches its near impossible dude...patches for brawl doesnt that sounds great?

 

[KoJ]

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The funny thing is, you just verbally assaulted someone for posting a relatively innocent comment. Sure, it was wrong, but does that give you the right to flame him?

Anyway, Captain Falcon is PROBABLY the worst character, but the tiers can change, so who knows?

 

[Airgemini]

Smash Wikia even says that tiers are just a measure of which characters are MORE LIKELY to win, given that both players have the same amount of skill.

So Skill > Tiers

Smash Wiki can also be edited by ANYONE in the world, so you shouldn't rely on that for information too much, although what you're saying is probably true.

 

[Jellyfishn]

Sorry, but he is pretty far down there. I enjoy playing him and all but they really nerfed him. not saying players can't be amazing with him, but the character himself is pretty ridiculous.

 

[PKNintendo]

Captain Falcon is the It.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aooCwAMKB9s

 

[Ayato]

Captain Falcon Boards - Home of the dead horse beaters!

 

[talkingbeatles]

I love the fact that when Brawl came out, I was all like "I know low tier, I played Pichu in Melee... Falcon is not low tier."

Ha. I'm actually one of the guys saying he's bottom tier now.

 

[i.E.]

This thread is still alive?

why?

/threadpleasegod?

 

[SmashGod17]

I don't know, but I'm just gonna throw this out there: I don't believe that Falcon is low or bottom. That is all.

 

[Link Hero of Hyrule]

tiers dont excist, ******* think they are

 

[SmashGod17]

???

Okay then.

 

[Nestec]

******* think they are what? Exist?

 

[SmashGod17]

LOL, Engrish.