Character Planking Capabilities

[GimR]

Pikachu's Perfect Planking:

Frame 1: grab ledge
Frame 14: press back
Frame 15: Press up-B or Side B
Frame 16-40: Hold towards the stage if you're up-bing
Frame 41: you're not invincible any more
Frame 43: Let go of control stick
Frame 44: Pikachu grabs the ledge

So Pikachu's invincibility on planking ain't that great


3 frames vulnerable


Marth's Perfect Planking

Frame 1: Grab Ledge
Frame 26: Press and Hold Back
Frame 32: Let Go of Back
Frame 46: Hold Back
Frame 47: Double Jump(Keep Back Held)
Frame 52-55: Up-B(Invincible)
Frame 56: Grab Ledge

5 frames vulnerable


I set it this way so Marth is really far away from the ledge when he starts his up-B so someone would actually have to come off the ledge to hit him during his 5 frames of vulnerability



If it looks like someone is trying to grab the ledge or attack you you can do the following:

Frame 1: Grab Ledge
Frame 26: Press Back
Frame 27: Forward-B
Frame 30: forwardB hit box is out(It's larger then f-air)
Frame 47: Hittable
Frame 55: Press and Hold Back
Frame 56: Jump
Frame 61: Let go of Back
Frame 70: Up-B(Invincible)
Frame 71: Grab the ledge

23 frames vulnerable

This good because it keeps your opponent back, keeps you far from the ledge yet still lets you auto snap it



DK's Perfect planking:

Frame 1: Grab Ledge
Frame 26: Press Back
Frame 42: Double Jump
Frame 44: Up-B
Frames 47-49: extra invincibility from up-B(Other wise he would've been hittable) + ultra priority hit boxes
Frame 50: Hittable + hitboxes are gone.
Frame 56: Grabs Ledge.

6 frames vulnerable.


I purposely made it so he's pretty far below the ledge. You can't grab the ledge cause his hit boxes will hit you. since he's low it's hard to hit him but you can still do it if spaced correctly. If you some how grab the ledge he can autocancel his up-b lag by landing on the stage.

 

[Luxor]

3 vulnerable frames. Not exactly MK tier, it's harder to punish a spotdodge-spamming Falco.

 

[GimR]

the probelm is you can just run off and use a lingering hit box and possibly stage spike him.



That's how I tested invincibility. I just ran off the stage with MK when I knew pikachu was invincible and n-aired and waited for it to hit

 

[KayLo!]

Got me excited for nothing.

Prime already figured this out a while ago.

 

[phi1ny3]

Hey GIMR, have you tried Marth's planking w/ this variation?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6390005#post6390005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AljKVccLdAk
I've been curious as to see how many invincible frames this thing has, even if it might be inferior. (very beatable, considering you do this when the opponent just edgehogs, and you've got trouble lol).

 

[Pikabunz]

Pikachu's vulnerability should be 9 frames. The maximum amount of invincibility one can have after ledge drop is 21 frames and you have to wait 30 frames after ledge drop to be able to grab the ledge again. So you just do 30 - 21 and you get 9 frames of vulnerability. This should be the same for everyone else unless the character can grab the ledge with a move that has invincibility.

For Pikachu it should look like this:

Frame 1: Grab ledge
Frame 13: Input back
Frame 14: Ledge drop/Input Side B (This is the frame you leave the ledge and your 21 frames of invincibility starts.)
Frame 15: Skullbash starts
Frame 35: Invincibility ends (You can be hit starting on this frame)
Frame 44: Grab ledge

 

[GimR]

I'll retest it, I just ran off the stage with MK's n-air while pikahcu was invincible and wrote down when it hit him. You're right though, it dpesn't make sense that'd be be invincible so long. Also when I say press back on frame 14, that means that frame 14 is the actual frame it's inputed on


@phil: That's what I'm doing if you look at my data closely you'll see that I up-B instantly when close to the ledge. And it's hard to punish if you use the forward B variation

 

[phi1ny3]

ooooooh, wow I didn't see that, my bad

 

[thexsunrosered]

I'll test Ganon for this and post up the frame up map later tonight if thats cool

 

[GimR]

Yeah, that's cool

 

[thexsunrosered]

Yeah, that's cool

alright here it is

00: Ganon hangs from ledge
01: Press Down to release from ledge
02: Ganon doesn't move in the air? o.O
03: Ganon begins falling
07: last fall frame before jump
08: input jump
09: input Uair
10-41 : Uair animation
42: input Side-B
43: Ganon begins ledge grab animation even though he is halfway down past the ledge (battlefield)
44: Ganon rises half the distance to the ledge
45: Ganon rises half the distance to the ledge again (closer)
46: controller rumbles
47: ledgesnap sound
48: vulnerable I believe
49: invincibilty begins

Though I initially thought this was only effective on battlefield, after testing the frame map on FD were there aren't slopes under the ledges, I found that it works even there too. I'm not too good at interpreting invulnerablity and stuff like that yet, so if you could let me know what this means in terms of 'perfect planking' it'd be great

 

[GimR]

interesting that you were able to grab the ledge before 56, maybe it's because it's a side B

 

[Pikabunz]

It's cause he started counting frames from hanging on the ledge instead of the first frame of ledge grab.

 

[thexsunrosered]

It's cause he started counting frames from hanging on the ledge instead of the first frame of ledge grab.

this is true, should I start it from a grab instead of a hang?

 

[GimR]

oh, true, I didn't notice that.

 

[thexsunrosered]

is there a special code I should use that signifies invincibility or do I just count the flashes?

 

[Pikabunz]

Invincibility starts as soon as it shows your character reaching for the ledge and the invincibility last for 46 frames.

 

[thexsunrosered]

Invincibility starts as soon as it shows your character reaching for the ledge and the invincibility last for 46 frames.

alright, I'll recheck it all later tonight