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Right...less reps than Melee...brilliant logic...
Since G-dorf only had that moveset cuz the game was rushed and he had the same body shape as Falcon...pretty high, actually...
Decloning...and he's not a close enough clone...
Wow. That's really sad. Who was the one that said this thread was opinion based? You act like you're the God of this world just because you made this thread. When someone goes against your idea of a character not gonna to be in Brawl, you immediately go against it.
That's 4 playable pokemon, same as melee. 1 or 2 more wouldn't hurt at all. Not to mention PT could technically count as one rep.
The fact that Ganondorf was originally intended to have his own moveset, and could easily have one seeing as all the Zelda characters are in their TP form so far and that practically everyone believes he should be given a new moveset tells me that he he has a pretty good chance of getting one. Heck, Links moveset was updated and Mario had one of his specials changed, and they are nowhere close to needing a moveset change as much as Ganon is.
So you even realize there isn't a good enough reason to take Luigi out yet because Ness is being taken out you think he's good as gone? Does that really make sense to you?
What? Where the hell are you getting these ideas from? There has bee no hints towards Mewtwo being cut and if anything, we've only been getting hints that G&W is returing.
WTF source naow
O rly?
These comments hint that you're life is based on the game. You act like this game is the almighty God of this world. You're saying I need common sense? I don't spend my life playing a video game.
So, you've resorted to blind flaming to protect yourself? Pathetic...just STFU before you dig yourself in deeper...you're already deep enough...
fixed
@Quadripain: need I say more?
Luigi, Jiggz, Cpt. Falcon, Ness.
Yup, That was the point. Someone finally caught on.
Okay....look...I KNOW Ganon is gonna be in Brawl. I'm saying Falcon isn't. In the interview, nothing got confirmed. They got HINTED.Why they will return and has good chance being in Brawl:
Jigglypuff:
She is the second most popular pokémon. She has a unique moveset, she hasn't cloned moves.
There aren't any arguments against her. Sakurai wouldn't be dumb to not include her.
+She is confirmed. (David Hayter)
Luigi:
The game is called Super Smash Bros Brawl. With his vacuum he could get a desemicloned moveset. He is one of the most important characters from Nintendo.
+He is confirmed (this one guy at e4all)
Captain Falcon:
I'm getting tired of writing. His icon is confirmed, he has a original moveset. CF is Sakurai's favorite character to play. And go on.
Ganondorf:
He could get a new moveset with sword+magic. He is really important to LoZ and why having Zelda in, without Ganondorf? No sense.
+He is confirmed (in this interview (Shiek confirmed with him))
Small question, why aren't you saying Marth, G&W, Mewtwo and Shiek won't return?
Maggirus
FireEmblem got a worldwide release now.
Pit is too old. A DS game with old Mr G&W games has been relased in Japan
Wrong
Maybe Shiek won't return. But it seems very likely that Shiek will return.
Really?
Are you saying Olimar won't be in? Reasons, plz...
You were saying?The Actual Moveset
Finally, onto Olimar's actual moves. That's a lot of information to get down before you can even get onto this stuff, if Sakurai ever finds this moveset and thinks "Wow, that's such an excellent idea!" he'll put it in manual. I hope.
A moves
A - Right fisted punch - 2%, loooooooow knockback
AA - Left fisted punch - 2% loooooooooow knockback
AAA - Olimar's special Rocket Punch(tm)(R)...maybe not...Olimar sticks out both his fists in a double fisted punch of glory - 4% med-low knockback
Dash A - Rush Boots, you slide at 1.5 times your running speed for a short distance, semi-bad wind-down lag though - 8% medium knockback
A -> tilt - Headbutt - 10%, medium knockback
A^ tilt - Rising headbutt - 9% medium knockback
Av - Pik-a-grab, grabs a Pikmin and sweeps out the opponents feet. Knockback, speed and damage vary on the Pikmin sweeping with, ranging from 6%->10%, low -> med-high knockback.
A -> Smash - Swing-a-pik, for every 3 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower (so cruel) and swings them forward. Damage is 10% + the damage of each pikmin, knockback and speed again depends on the type of Pikmin and the number. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
A^ Smash - Soar-a-pik, for every 5 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower and swings them in an arc upwards. 10% + pikmin damage, speed and knockback variable. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
Av Smash - Kik-a-pik, All the pikmin around him kick (both sides, so it wouldn't be 15 pikmin on 1 side kicking) for their base damage with good knockback, if no pikmin are currently following Olimar, he does a 360 floor sweep for 8% with low-med knockback.
Nair - Spins around - 2% each hit with low knockback, last one has medium knockback
Bair - Donkey kick - 5% good knockback
Uair - Somersault kick (he's had zero g training after all) - 6% medium knockback
Dair - Mid-air headbutt (kinda like a reverse of his Uair and instead of kicking them, thwacks them with his helmet) - 5%, meteor
Fair - Your standard kick - 5% medium knockback
B moves
These are probably going to be a bit more indepth.
B - Ye olde "Whistle" - Olimar uses this to command his little buddies. Tapping B will make a short shrill whistle noise which is the go ahead for the pikmin to change the order in which they are standing, meaning you can select which pikmin are closest to you at any given time by taps of B. The default formation is Purple -> White -> Red -> Blue -> Yellow and will change as such so the front goes to the back (ie. W->R->B->Y->P is the next formation). Formations are there to give you greater control over which Pikmin you are throwing and with practice will become second nature, even in the heat of a battle, and like everything would just take practice getting used to managing them.
Holding down B will make all pikmin in 4 body-lengths of Olimar will attempt to make their way back to his side. While holding down B (so after 1/2 -> 3/4 of a second), Olimar is forced to continue to whistle for the remainder of 2 seconds and is unable to move or attack during this time.
B -> - Hurl-a-Pik - Throws a pikmin, how hard depends on how far you tilt the control stick. They follow a set trajectory of the classic arc, and will also go different distances depending on their weight. Holding the control stick full tilt and throwing a purple pikmin will yield roughly the same result as throwing a yellow pikmin at under half tilt.
B^ - Dolphin Rocket - Olimar's rocket is also his recovery move! Upon using this move Olimar is instant in his rocket which moves on a shaky trajectory diagonally upwards. You can also control this a little, such as veer it in a direction. Any surrounding pikmin which are falling relatively near to Olimar are taken up in the Onions around the S.S. Dolphin. Upon moving for 1.5 seconds or so, the dolphin explodes out of habit sending 3 randomly generated parts upwards, diagonally down to the right and diagonally down to the left. These parts are parts which you collect from Olimar's ship in Pikmin 1 and all do 5% damage except the secret safe which does 8% and the Massage Machine and the Space Float (with lower chances of appear) which do a healthy 10%.
Bv - Pick-a-Pik - Probably the most complicated one of all that will take some time to explain. Pick-a-Pik works as sectioned areas of each stage where each section has a 60% common chance and 40% uncommon chance of plucking 2 different kinds of Pikmin. Battlefield for example might be split into 5 different sections, the 3 different platforms and the main floor split in half. On these sections 2 types of Pikmin can be plucked (skilled Olimar's will know which Pikmin to get where on each stage) in those 2 percentages but the rarer Pikmin (white and purple) can only ever occur as 40% uncommon chances, so a purple/white or white/purple combination won't happen, but a red/blue could.
To actually pick the Pikmin, Olimar must hold down and press B at which point it will take 2 seconds to pick a Leaf Pikmin form that area. Subsequent presses of B (while still holding down) will yield Pikmin at 1 second delays. The first 2 Pikmin to be picked will be Leaf Pikmin, the next 3 will be Bud Pikmin and all subsequent Pikmin will be Flower Pikmin, up to the maximum of 15 Pikmin. If you start picking with 0 Pikmin, it's possible to pick up to 10 Flower Pikmin.
Grab moves
A (while holding) - Sly dig - 3%
Forward - Bum's rush, 1-3 Pikmin by Olimar grab the opponent and do the Bum's rush on him :(6-9% high knockback), no Pikmin and Olimar weakly attempts it himself resulting in 3% damage and low knockback
Back - Pik-a-Swing, 1-3 Pikmin grab the opponent's feet and swing him backwards for 5-8% damage and med-high knockback, if no Pikmin, Olimar attempts to do it by himself for 3% damage and low-med knockback.
Down - Pik-a-pounce, Olimar throws the opponent to the floor, 1-6 Pikmin + Olimar jump on one end of the floored opponent for half their totaled base damage + 3% and med-high knockback depending on Pikmin weights. If no Pikmin, Olimar once again foolishly attempts it by himself and doesn't get very far, 3% damage and very low knockback.
Up - Pik-a-Punch, Olimar releases the opponent and uppercuts them at the same time as 1-5 Pikmin. Damage and knockback depends on Pikmin's strength. If no Pikmin, Olimar does it by himself for 3% damage and low knockback.
Final Smash Move
Pikmin Bomb Squad!
The S.S. Dolphin flies in from the top left of the screen over the battlefield and exits again to the top right, pausing only to fire the Nova Blaster down on Olimer's position. Any enemies caught in the dazzling beam are stunned as if their shield was broken. Any yellow pikmin bathed in the light acquire bomb rocks with a minimum of 3. If 3 yellow pikmin aren't present, 3 random pikmin caught in the light will be transformed into yellow bomb pikmin and if 3 pikmin aren't present (if any), then any pikmin caught in the light will be transformed and up to 3 bomb pikmin appear to a maximum of 3 in total. However, if 15 pikmin of that Olimer are present on the battlefield but none caught in the beam, the bomb pikmin will not appear.
Yellow bomb pikmin are able to be thrown as far as regular yellow pikmin and if they land on an opponent after being thrown will automatically explode for 15% damage and high knockback and the pikmin will automatically be star-ko'd. A yellow bomb pikmin will give chase to any opponents they land near like regular pikmin, but instead will self-detonate (star-ko'ing itself) and do 10% damage and med-high knockback. If the opponent attempts to evade the pikmin and succeeds (so the pikmin cannot follow), he will attempt to throw the bomb rock at the opponent with a good degree of precision for 7% damage and med knockback but unfortunately not a star-ko.
Taunt
All the pikmin by Olimar's side line up facing the screen and do the leaf-mexican-wave from the good ending of Pikmin 1, speed varies on how many pikmin are in the line as to always be the same amount of time for the taunt. If no pikmin are by Olimar's side, he looks left, then right (as if looking for the pikmin) and then bows his head (in realisation that he's all alone *tear*).
A fire character whose move hurts himself? No thanks.
Exactly...which is why I posted one *looks at last post*...face it...Olimar's one of the most likely characters to take a spot, so Quad, don't make assumptions until you know more about who you're dissing...
You guys just keep getting dumber and dumber.
Except for me, apparently...it's amazing how horrible these arguments have been...is it not obvious that these people don't know anything about the characters they're saying shouldn't be in? It's a pity, really...
I didn't mean you...
I knowI didn't mean you...
...but seriously...I think we're the only two people here with real logic...a couple of other people have come and gone, but other than that...Sonic and Shadow only share two moves, Spindash and Black and Blue tornado, nothing else. How would Shadow be a clone? The bold is what I agree with.
True, but putting the dimwitted n00b population in their place is fun...Not to be hostile, but the fact that we're even in this thread means we phail.
I'm leaving.
