COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda

[B.W.]

Actually that doesn't sound too bad. It does shrink fast compared to Melee. Having it slowed down a little bit would probably help against projectile spammers mostly. And with how things are working out I can say T.Link is gonna be a real pain to play against if things are left as is.

 

[SketchHurricane]

Actually that doesn't sound too bad. It does shrink fast compared to Melee. Having it slowed down a little bit would probably help against projectile spammers mostly. And with how things are working out I can say T.Link is gonna be a real pain to play against if things are left as is.

Yeah, I'll probably experiment with that during my next b+ session. I was using ROB a bit today, and his shield pressure ability is just ridiculous.

Here's that Ness vs Luigi vid from the other day if anyone missed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ji6U9LsW_g

I got a Link vs Ike one from today coming up.
edit: it's processing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAyZT2p3e3c

 

[plasmatorture]

Actually that doesn't sound too bad. It does shrink fast compared to Melee.

According to leafgreen, I believe, the shields in Brawl and Melee shrink at the same rate. If you're using the .25 damage ratio, which increases the amount of shield attacks take away, though, then I can understand feeling it shrinks faster. UNLESS shield decay is somehow related to shield damage ratio,.

I'm using .23 damage ratio by the way and I love it, feels just right with .05 regen

 

[trojanpooh]

Yeah, I'll probably experiment with that during my next b+ session. I was using ROB a bit today, and his shield pressure ability is just ridiculous.

Here's that Ness vs Luigi vid from the other day if anyone missed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ji6U9LsW_g

I got a Link vs Ike one from today coming up.
edit: it's processing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAyZT2p3e3c

Good videos. Would you be so kind as to send me in the right direction of a guide on how to hack my music? How safe is it to do so?

I've been playing with no turn around frame, and it is a lot of fun. I kind of over powers the fast characters (I think) but I would strongly recommend trying it if you get the time.

Edit: Never mind I found it, but is it safe?

 

[NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT]

Is there a chance that they can make the crouch cancel? like being crouching gives at low % no knockback and we can counter attack after it

I want to know if this code can be made and if you guys can support this idea if you think it's right

 

[Finns7]

I like the shields sketch

 

[Revven]

about snake's Ftilt, what it does is, send foe with first hit mid air but let them in front of u, stunned animation, and then fall into the ground, thx to teching problems, snake can combo just fin just by doing first Ftilt and by doing that tilt the % is high enough to Utilt you to doomed

Don't worry, it's just hitstun at work here, it's normal. We're going to fix both Snake's and Sheik's Ftilts. We wouldn't leave those alone at all as they are necessary to fix.

 

[SketchHurricane]

According to leafgreen, I believe, the shields in Brawl and Melee shrink at the same rate. If you're using the .25 damage ratio, which increases the amount of shield attacks take away, though, then I can understand feeling it shrinks faster. UNLESS shield decay is somehow related to shield damage ratio,.

I'm using .23 damage ratio by the way and I love it, feels just right with .05 regen

Looking at my Ike match, I held shield quite a bit and the shield loss looked fine as is. I take it back, I don't think it needs to be changed.

You might want to double check Marth's forwardB with that. I doubt it breaks in one attack, but you need to be sure. I've only had 1 legit shield break at .25 with Jiggz (couple of pounds) but that was because he wasn't really paying attention. I could see .23 if it doesn't break Marth's forwardB.

I like the shields sketch

That's Yeroc's colored shield code.

Black shields with colored highlights [Phantom Wings, Yeroc]
4A000000 80F59A60
14000088 FF3AB700
14000090 FF000000
140000A0 FF000000
140000A8 00000000
4A000000 80F59ED4
14000088 00FFFF00
14000090 0000FF00
140000A0 0080FF00
140000A8 00000000
4A000000 80F5A348
14000088 FAF9E100
14000090 FFFF0000
140000A0 FFFF8000
140000A8 00000000
4A000000 80F5A7BC
14000088 88FCAE00
14000090 00FF0000
140000A0 00C00000
140000A8 00000000

 

[plasmatorture]

.23 was somewhat of an arbitrary number. I originally (somewhat arbitrarily) wanted to test an ~33% increase in shield damage, which would be .21, but since people were using .25 I went with .23 as a compromise. Honestly, though, it is called Shield Breaker and I wouldn't be too upset if it easily kills shields, as it's a slow move that most people can see coming and get out of the way. Of course, if an uncharged one breaks a fully charged shield, then that might be a problem.

 

[SketchHurricane]

.23 was somewhat of an arbitrary number. I originally (somewhat arbitrarily) wanted to test an ~33% increase in shield damage, which would be .21, but since people were using .25 I went with .23 as a compromise. Honestly, though, it is called Shield Breaker and I wouldn't be too upset if it easily kills shields, as it's a slow move that most people can see coming and get out of the way. Of course, if an uncharged one breaks a fully charged shield, then that might be a problem.

It happens at .2, which is why .25 was the recommendation. There wasn't much testing below .25 though, so feel free to experiment between .2 and .25

 

[Spike222]

Just curious whats the purpose of the buffer and what does it actually do? Drives me crazy how sometimes I try to do things fast or use the C stick, and my character just stands there. It also cripples the **** out of Wolf who was my main in Brawl. Wolf's air game turned from really good to dog ****.

 

[spunit262]

Triple Jump Fix [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
04FBD0F8 12000005

This removes the flag entirely, but I can't seam to find a time when it is used except for when we don't what it. I can't really test it as I don't notices a difference in lag.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Just curious whats the purpose of the buffer and what does it actually do? Drives me crazy how sometimes I try to do things fast or use the C stick, and my character just stands there. It also cripples the **** out of Wolf who was my main in Brawl. Wolf's air game turned from really good to dog ****.

The Buffer makes the controls really, really "loose". As in, you FF an aerial and there is no way to prevent your character from crouching afterwards. Or moving backwards in the air while c sticking an aerial and automatically turning around upon landing. Really stupid stuff like that.

The only thing that 0 buffer appears to destroy is aerials the frame you leave the ground. According to some people, you can't even do it if you time it right. Just put buffer on 1 frame and that fixes that.

 

[goodoldganon]

What's the 1 buffer code again? I seem to have lost it

 

[Zilactic]

isnt it the one in the OP ganon?

lemme fetch it... uhh

0485B784 38600003

Just replace the 3 (if you want to but 3 buffer is cool lol)

 

[SketchHurricane]

Triple Jump Fix [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
04FBD0F8 12000005

This removes the flag entirely, but I can't seam to find a time when it is used except for when we don't what it. I can't really test it as I don't notices a difference in lag.

Does that mean you don't expect it to work? lol

I'll try to test it now.

 

[spunit262]

Does that mean you don't expect it to work? lol

I'll try to test it now.

I expect it to work, but I'm saying it could affect something PW's didn't.

Hack constans
065A9300 00000020
SHORTHOP DASHDASH
FASTFALL 4F000000
LEDGGRAB STARJUMP
THORWSPD 3f266666
Don't touch the ones that aren't labeled.

Quicker Start Jumps/Faster Throws [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C2766C20 00000006
807D007C 80630038
2C03000A 40A2000C
C022FFF4 FC000072
2C03003C 40A2000C
C022FFF8 FC000072
D01F0010 00000000

Aerial Lag Reduction/Lagless Ledges/Dash cancel[Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C2766C24 0000000C
807F0030 809D007C
80840038 80BD0014
C0250040 A0050040
80DD0068 2C040018
40A20008 FC21002A
2C040074 40A20010
2C000000 40A20008
C022FFF0 2C040005
40A20018 C046003C
C062FFFC FC021840
41A10008 C022FFEC
D0250040 00000000

Only NAS and HAD are left right?

Edit: DC isn't working.

 

[Shell]

That's pretty miraculous, spunit262. What's your method, again? Coverting to ASM?

 

[grim mouser]

Do those work now? As in, is the vacuum effect and slide on ALC gone?

Yeah, I think just NAS and HAD... unless independent Pokemon hasn't been reduced yet.

 

[spunit262]

Do those work now? As in, is the vacuum effect and slide on ALC gone?

Yeah, I think just NAS and HAD... unless independent Pokemon hasn't been reduced yet.

The only IP code that wasn't already ASM was Stamina.

 

[goodoldganon]

Thanks Zilactic, my friends wanted a larger buffer to help them out so we thought 3 sounded good.

 

[grim mouser]

Ah, gotcha. Then yeah, just HAD and NAS.

 

[SketchHurricane]

Spunit, your new TJF code seems to work! I tested with CF and Mario, but I don't know who else is effected. It definitely fixes theirs though. Good stuff, that's another 25 lines out of the way

 

[grim mouser]

Once Dash Cancel works in that new code, we'll really be rolling. =)

 

[storm92]

If I knew what was going on with these new codes I would be just as excited ahah

Edit: Never mind, got it now.
What he said^!

 

[MookieRah]

Spunit needs to fix the crazy code he made last night and we'd be set. I don't like being vacuumed off ledges and having the shorthop code borked. That said, he's shaved off so many lines of code that it will make character balancing and unique short hops/gravities a possibility for B+.

 

[kupo15]

lovely spunit. Going to test this stuff out

mookie, did you try his updated version of that code?

 

[Deleted member]

I should really port more of this stuff.
and yeah, we would have like 100+ lines left for balancing

 

[kupo15]

spunit, the triple jump code doesn't work properly. If you do falcons side b to the ledge, you get the glitch. Fox still has it.

The lagless ledges appears to only work for jumping off the ledge and attacking but not dropping.

 

[spunit262]

No Auto Sweetspotting [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C27812B0 00000006
2C04000A 40A20020
8181003C 816C0018
C00B0010 C02B001C
FC000840 40A10008
38000000 5400CFFF
60000000 00000000

 

[Almas]

Nice spunit. Did you fix the vortex effect of lagless edges anywhere along the line? It's all been a blur over the last couple of days, and I've been working.

Also, can I have some contact details? I'd appreciate having a discussion with you about the production of certain codes.

 

[kupo15]

vortex is gone but it doesn't appear to work as before. I am trying an extreme value now..

EDIT: No auto sweet spot seems to work fine

The lagless ledges doesn't work for tapping down or back

ASL doesn't have the slide effect

Dash canceling also works

Excellent work spunit. Its almost perfect.

TJF and lagless needs some tweaking

 

[MookieRah]

[Edit]You guys posted before I did. I"m trying the new code.
[Edit2] I'm still getting vortex edges.

BTW, that slide effect used to be in early versions of Brawl. I distinctly remember people talking about seeing wavedashes, but it was the sliding from the landing of an aerial. I was just messing on Teh Boat and Mario was sliding just like in the early vids.

 

[spunit262]

vortex is gone but it doesn't appear to work as before. I am trying an extreme value now..

EDIT: No auto sweet spot seems to work fine

The lagless ledges doesn't work for tapping down or back

ASL doesn't have the slide effect

Dash canceling also works

Excellent work spunit. Its almost perfect.

TJF and lagless needs some tweaking

DC works???

Triple Jump Fix [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
80858DCC 38830003

 

[zxeon]

Have you made any progress in jump momentum Almas?

 

[kupo15]

[Edit]You guys posted before I did. I"m trying the new code.
[Edit2] I'm still getting vortex edges.

BTW, that slide effect used to be in early versions of Brawl. I distinctly remember people talking about seeing wavedashes, but it was the sliding from the landing of an aerial. I was just messing on Teh Boat and Mario was sliding just like in the early vids.

How are you getting the vortex? I hope your not pulling it from the OP. I am updating it as we speak

DC works???

Triple Jump Fix [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
80858DCC 38830003

It does. let me try that one out

 

[MookieRah]

I am still getting vortex, I don't know what Kupo did to fix that. Dash canceling is working properly for me as well.

I LOVE the slide from the ALR code though. I'm messing with Samus at 1.7 short hops and she lands her fairs into a semi-waveland. It's ****in great. I honestly think it's an amazing happy accident.

 

[CountKaiser]

Quick question

The one line buffer code, does it work at 2 or 3 frames?

 

[kupo15]

Quick question

The one line buffer code, does it work at 2 or 3 frames?

I don't think so

Spunit, do we still need almas code? I don't think we do because I didn't use it

 

[Almas]

The lagless edges portion of the merger code requires merely 5 lines in addition to the base, and bear in mind that we may need to retain the merger code for move balancing purposes. Depends how much ASM awesomeness can be done. Although I need to look at PW's knockback changing and get inspired by it. If he already found the relevant fields... We're sorted.