COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda

[kupo15]

This should be it

C2766C20 00000010
D01F0010 807D007C
80630038 80BD0014
80DD0068 C0250040
FC210028 2C030018
40A20008 C002FFEC
2C030074 40A20008
C002FFF0 2C030005
40A2001C C046003C
C062B81C FC601850
FC021840 41A10008
C002BDB8 2C03000A
40A20008 C002FFF4
2C03003C 40A20008
C002FFF8 FC21002A
C04283D8 FC21106E
D0250040 00000000

065A9300 0000001C
3F800000 3F947AE1
3F933333 40000000
40800000 3FC00000
3F800000 00000000

Short hop: 1
Dash Dance: 1.16
Fast fall: 1.15
Lagless ledges: 1
Jump speed: 1.5
Throw speed: 1
ALC 
Dash cancel

The only "glitch" it has is the sliding effect from faster jumps

 

[SGX]

I mostly play Falcon/Ganon, and it seems like theirs are noticeably worse with 1.25. Of course DK, Bowser, Link were already bad, this doesn't help. Mario isn't so great either. It seems like its more difficult to reverse your momentum. This also may be in conjunction with hitstun. (You do accelerate as you're flying outwards, right?) I really wouldn't want to lower hitstun any more than we already have.

Many characters are still fine though. No problems with Sheik, any of the flying chars, Snake, Rob, etc.

 

[Almas]

What, specifically, does that code do? ALR/DD/DC/LL?

 

[SketchHurricane]

Meanwhile, some characters have a hell of a hard time trying to tick throw. Sonic can't effectively jab cancel for some reason, so jab>grab hardly ever works. Same goes with Fox/Falcon. If you try to tick throw quickly, you just go into rapid jabs/gentleman. No good.

It's the same homogenization that speeding up throws would accomplish. It's perfectly fine for certain characters to be better at certain techniques. Diversity is a good thing. Gannon should not be able to tick throw (unless you wanted to give him a big buff). In fact, characters with rapid jabs have an extra mindgame layer to their tick throws when you think about it. Sure, they might have to wait just long enough for the tick throw to be avoided, but if you know they're expecting it, you can just delay rapid jab which will catch them for sure. If they expect the rapid jabs, you can go ahead with the throw.

As for speeding up the lag on the end of throws, wouldn't that possibly re-introduce some chaingrab gayness? We already have a few more chaingrabs in the cast due to hitstun.

 

[kupo15]

What, specifically, does that code do? ALR/DD/DC/LL?

Sorry wrong code

C2766C24 0000000C
807F0030 809D007C
80840038 80BD0014
C0250040 A0050040
80DD0068 2C040018
40A20008 FC21002A
2C040074 40A20010
2C000000 40A20008
C022FFF0 2C040005
40A20018 C046003C
C062FFFC FC021840
41A10008 C022FFEC
D0250040 00000000

Constant write
065A9300 00000020
3F800000 3F947AE1
3F933333 4F000000
40800000 3FC00000
3F800000 BF266666

It does those plus FF and throw speed and ledge grab and SH. I believe it does all of those things. The DC and lagless doesn't work though

 

[Almas]

Right, so there's still no fully functional ASM code?

 

[kupo15]

correct....

 

[plasmatorture]

What's wrong with the one-line Buffer code, by the way?

Does it simply do nothing or does it reduce it to 0 no matter what value you put in? I have heard both and I was wondering what the actual answer is...

 

[kupo15]

oh i think it does work with one buffer. My bad I should replace it

 

[goodoldganon]

What do you guys think of the FF now a days? Using Kupo's set I think it's great for SHFFing Aerials, but it's annoying that an accidental fastfall basically spells doom when recovering. I felt it was limiting to my recovery options since I didn't feel safe fast falling because I might not be able to recover.

Also, I'm agreeing with SGX that Falcon and Ganon seem to have a really tough time recovering on 1.25 gravity. Same goes for Ike and some of the other's with **** recoveries. I think we agreed that we'd be giving some characters exemptions or different gravity values though right?

 

[Shell]

@goodoldganon: Don't worry, Almas and Mookie will take care of us.

 

[kupo15]

What do you guys think of the FF now a days? Using Kupo's set I think it's great for SHFFing Aerials, but it's annoying that an accidental fastfall basically spells doom when recovering. I felt it was limiting to my recovery options since I didn't feel safe fast falling because I might not be able to recover.

Also, I'm agreeing with SGX that Falcon and Ganon seem to have a really tough time recovering on 1.25 gravity. Same goes for Ike and some of the other's with **** recoveries. I think we agreed that we'd be giving some characters exemptions or different gravity values though right?

I really like my FF setting and the accidental FF wasn't that much of a problem in melee. I think its really good atm. I don't have a hard time recovering with falcon at all and ganon's up b isnt' affected by gravity. The only time I had trouble recovering with Ike or ganon or whomever was when my DI was bad for a kill move so I am not too worried about it atm

The soon to come gravity and SH codes can do great things for the game. Lets hope we know how to apply them correctly so we don't imbalance the game

 

[shanus]

@goodoldganon: Don't worry, Almas and Mookie will take care of us.

Its a slow process, balancing it will be more difficult than you think

Its pretty sweet though right now, but some characters like falcon need their settings adjusted majorly.

 

[MuBa]

Hey guys I've just made a new code set for all of your eXtreme pleasure (gct and txt file included)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H4DOJXQG

OR


http://filebin.ca/mpvsbf/Brawl+++.rar

I'll get the specifics later on cuz I'm in class :X

 

[Slashy]

Kupo please add MuBa's Code list to your site. And for some reason Thunder causes the game to freeze.

 

[SketchHurricane]

Kupo please add MuBa's Code list to your site. And for some reason Thunder causes the game to freeze.

Since a lot have been asking, I'll just add it.

 

[kupo15]

Kupo please add MuBa's Code list to your site. And for some reason Thunder causes the game to freeze.

In my code set? My current one?

Since a lot have been asking, I'll just add it.

grr. we can't keep adding to the list. People are confused enough as it is. I'll make a note that its more for fun and the offical codeset prob won't this extreme

 

[zxeon]

Don't be such a despot. Give MuBa a chance.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't be such a despot. Give MuBa a chance.

+1 to this

 

[Eaode]

I see throw and jump speed mods in MuBa's set. should I just take the "throw and ump speed" code out? what about the constant write that has those values?

 

[goodoldganon]

Don't be such a despot. Give MuBa a chance.

-1 to this

I have given the site and hacking instructions to old highschool friends, only to get calls later asking which codeset to use. It's confusing to people and by our awful human nature, many people are afraid to ask a question out of fear of looking stupid. I agree it should be on the list for download, but people should be reminded that Kupo's is what most are considering the official set right now. (Even if it's slowing turning into Mookie's)


EDIT: I see no auto-fire jabs is on the list of possible codes...

I just gotta ask, do we really consider that such a hindrance to the gameplay? Is the ability to hold A instead of tapping it making the skill gap too close? Seems a little ridiculous in my opinion. Plus I love my rapid fire Snake punches.

 

[zxeon]

-1 to this

I have given the site and hacking instructions to old highschool friends, only to get calls later asking which codeset to use. It's confusing to people and by our awful human nature, many people are afraid to ask a question out of fear of looking stupid. I agree it should be on the list for download, but people should be reminded that Kupo's is what most are considering the official set right now. (Even if it's slowing turning into Mookie's)

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

 

[goodoldganon]

Someone has to take initiative in situations like this. The project is quickly expanding and more and more people are getting involved. We want to try and have everyone on a similar page and from what I can see most people are leaning between Mookie or Kupo's codes for the final product.

I'm not about to get into a flame war, it was a long school day and I need a nap, but I really haven't heard people make much of a fuss over the official codesets. His and Mookies are so close there isn't a jarring change between playing the two, but MuBa's is fast and furious. It feels a lot different.

 

[trojanpooh]

EDIT: I see no auto-fire jabs is on the list of possible codes...

I just gotta ask, do we really consider that such a hindrance to the gameplay? Is the ability to hold A instead of tapping it making the skill gap too close? Seems a little ridiculous in my opinion. Plus I love my rapid fire Snake punches.

In one instance it may not make a difference, but over an entire match it starts to add up. Also, some attacks are designed to be held, so it will help nerf attacks that can get you stuck in them.

 

[lamelikemike]

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

seems to me that kupo slapped, Unofficial on his list of his own volition. I don't think he is the baron of Brawl+(although it is catchy) but i use his because its easier to just download it than to edit the code myself. if you have your own values that you think are better i would like to try them tho.

 

[cooler1339]

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

And he's doing a good job. It made it really easy when I first started. he really seems to listen to everyone and add their ideas as well. At least someone here is trying to make a standard. So many people will turn away if there is multiple versions of the game.

 

[trojanpooh]

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

Why do you hate Kupo so much. He never even claimed his code set the official one. Are you selectively illiterate because you clearly couldn't read the un before official.

 

[sWorD LoRD]

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

like the guy above me said you shouldn't be mad at this guy. he is trying to create something that you couldnt even fathom and you just make a post mocking him. he is trying to make a code set for a game where making code sets is a very difficult thing to do and it is very difficullt for him so he probably doesn't need people like you trying to take a **** all over his face.

 

[storm92]

Kupo's code set considered official? That's ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. The only reason people think that is because he slapped Official on his list a while ago of his own volition and for some reason people think he's the baron of Brawl+.

Come on now zxeon, we can all be friends here.

 

[Shadic]

like the guy above me said you shouldn't be mad at this guy. he is trying to create something that you couldnt even fathom and you just make a post mocking him. he is trying to make a code set for a game where making code sets is a very difficult thing to do and it is very difficullt for him so he probably doesn't need people like you trying to take a **** all over his face.

Couldn't even fathom? I think you're putting Kupo on a pedestal here. He made a thread about what we need to add to the game, compiles ideas, and talks to the hackers. And he's pretty good at the same itself. And because of the first couple of things, it's his voice that gets heard more, that's all there really is to it.

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

Debug Pause:-(GCC)
80000000 805B8A08
0402E5AC 8819000B
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 EFFF1000
86410000 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 00FF0000
12000002 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 FFEF0010
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 FF000000
12000002 00000100
E2000002 00000000

Press Start to freeze the game(don't worry, the music and sounds are unaffected).
Press Z to step through frame by frame.
Press Start again to unfreeze the game.
(The new Start command is X+D^)

Button Modifier:
041E6CD8 4BE1C128
041E6D1C 4BE1C114
06002E00 00000068
9421FF80 BC410008
7CE4402E 7CE738F8
7CE73039 3864FFC0
7CE3412E 7CC4412E
B8410008 38210080
60000000 481E3EB0
9421FF80 BC410008
7C03202E 3DC01000
7DCE70F8 7C007039
740E0408 3DE00408
7C0E7800 40820008
64001000 B8410008
38210080 481E3EBC


has anyone elses wifi lag gotten signifcantly less when useing these 2 codes? mine has and i was wondering if anyone else thinks so

 

[SketchHurricane]

Kupo - "The Baron of Brawl+" aka 'The Code Nazi"

Mookie - "Some Guy with a Purple Name" aka "The Fun Speed Activator"

MuBa - "The Extremest" aka "Put My Codeset Up"

 

[KRSnakey]

Kupo's doing good, as long as he keeps an open mind Brawl+ will become what most want it to be. Also: multiple code sets are the cause of thousands of deaths each year. That, and we don't want/need them.

Thanks again.

 

[lamelikemike]

lol everyone jumped down zxeon's throat, to make things fair, i take back what i said earlier, and join his side. Kupo is not the king of brawl+

 

[MuBa]

Only reason why I wanted my code set up there is for people to experiment with 3 different settings. Jeez you guys are making a big deal out of this.

Mild, medium, and extreme. That's it. Nothing else.

 

[Zilactic]

i dont know if it means anything but.... i happen to think mubas codeset is the most enjoyable.

im not knocking kupos and mookies but I kinda like the extreme values. Add a few char specific gravs and changes and the aerial momentum and I think we'd have a winner.

on another subject... call me a noob but, what is the debug code for? xD

 

[dgameman1]

i dont know if it means anything but.... i happen to think mubas codeset is the most enjoyable.

im not knocking kupos and mookies but I kinda like the extreme values. Add a few char specific gravs and changes and the aerial momentum and I think we'd have a winner.

on another subject... call me a noob but, what is the debug code for? xD

+1 Muba's is the best for me at least

 

[leafgreen386]

The debug code lets you advance the game frame by frame by pausing it and then using Z to step through the frames. It shouldn't have any effect on connection stability... so that's probably just coincidence.

 

[Osi]

i dont know if it means anything but.... i happen to think mubas codeset is the most enjoyable.

im not knocking kupos and mookies but I kinda like the extreme values. Add a few char specific gravs and changes and the aerial momentum and I think we'd have a winner.

on another subject... call me a noob but, what is the debug code for? xD

I think the one mookie is posting will be more along the jump heights in Muba's, but just for the characters that profit from it. I can't wait to try the specific jump one.

There was too much resistance to the dash speed past 1.2 sadly... so it looks like 1.15-1.17 is going to be the norm for now. I think with a faster tech roll there isn't a large reason to keep the speed that low, but no real need to start that debate until the momentum code is out. Dash speed may work great at 1.17 with the momentum code stacked on.

 

[zxeon]

Come on now zxeon, we can all be friends here.

I can try.