Competitive Brawl Rule Set (NOT OFFICIAL)

[jog]

RC, green greens, corneria and more... all theses stages banned... a sad day for G&W

 

[cAm8ooo]

I just have two problems.

1. Kirbycide being a loss while bowser's equals a win. Bowser's is even easier to pull off and it just seems completely unfair. (though i know im probably being biased myself)

2.Rainbow cruise and jungle japes being banned. Especially RC. I dont understand the reasoning at all behind that one.

Other wise, great job

 

[Luigi player]

Jungle Japes wasn't even banned in Melee...

Man only those stages would be so boring >.<

I don't understand why all those stages would be banned...

 

[ParanoidDrone]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the reason Bowsercide is treated differently than all other suicides is because, unlike all other suicides, the game determines the winner based on controller port. So if P1 Bowser suicides with P2 Snake, Bowser wins, but if Bowser was P2 and Snake was P1, Bowser would lose. (Or vice versa, I can't remember if the priority goes from 1 -> 4 or 4 -> 1.) All other suicides are consistent in determining the victor to the best of my knowledge.

I disagree with some of the banned stages (although I can understand the reasoning) but I'm not in the mood for debating them right now. >_<

 

[Dogg/Naoki/Suzaku]

Sounds like a good set of rules. I don't like the rock-paper-scissors part.

 

[Pearl Floatzel]

I understand the reasoning behind, say, Corneria, Distant Planet, or Luigi's Mansion being banned, but Rainbow Cruise? And Jungle Japes? The worst part about JJ is the Klaptrap, and that is a set hazard, with a fixed pattern. Rainbow Cruise I can see no reason for at all.
Can we get an explanation for the banned stages? Those two are the only ones who really need it, but a lot of people don't get your reasoning. (Maybe I don't either)

 

[jog]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the reason Bowsercide is treated differently than all other suicides is because, unlike all other suicides, the game determines the winner based on controller port. So if P1 Bowser suicides with P2 Snake, Bowser wins, but if Bowser was P2 and Snake was P1, Bowser would lose. (Or vice versa, I can't remember if the priority goes from 1 -> 4 or 4 -> 1.) All other suicides are consistent in determining the victor to the best of my knowledge.

I disagree with some of the banned stages (although I can understand the reasoning) but I'm not in the mood for debating them right now. >_<

nahhh
bowser always wins because he's on top once you hit the bottom so the opponent hits the bottom first.

 

[kupo15]

Do ganons really recover with sideB that often?

Watch the first game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMqRw2ANSWc

And this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZZ-8NY7hY

 

[SuSa]

nahhh
bowser always wins because he's on top once you hit the bottom so the opponent hits the bottom first.

its by controller port, so not true.

 

[King~]

Dang i read this from the bottom up i was excited till i seen the stage list

i just don't get Green Greens, RC, japes, and skyworld

i <3 u though for moving lylat to couter pick, gay tilting stage is gay

 

[ZMan]

Seems good but why is Pictochat banned? Nothing seems too bad about it.

 

[SuSa]

Seems good but why is Pictochat banned? Nothing seems too bad about it.

Random missiles, random plants, random stuff that screws with gameplay.

tl;dr Because I get killed more by the stage then my opponent < true story

 

[ZMan]

It's not hard to not get hit by hazards....

 

[JLynn943]

this update is anti-G&W

personally, I don't like RC, but I know it's a good stage for G&W.

I love seeing that Lylat is no longer neutral though.

 

[SuSa]

It's not hard to not get hit by hazards....

Except when you are thrown into them, hit into them, caped/mirror shielded aerials into them. They spawn -right- when you are at that spot and blow you up....


No joke, I'll play some pictochat with my friends and show that I die from the stage more then my opponents.

 

[Blackbelt]

Corneria
Distant Planet
Jungle Japes
Norfair
Pirate Ship
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Onett
Pokémon Stadium 2


I question the banning of these stages.


I mean, I kinda see some of them, but not enough to be banned.

 

[bobson]

Except when you are thrown into them, hit into them, caped/mirror shielded aerials into them.

It's not the stage's fault if your opponent uses the stage to kill you. The only time "the stage killed me" is valid is if the hazards spawn right on top of you.

...which Pictochat does all the God****ed time. ****ing rockets.

 

[DanGR]

I was in love with the entire list until I saw Castle Siege under counterpicks. You can't ban DDD's standing infinite if you're going to leave this stage in the mix.

 

[Zankoku]

Wait, why do you have more of a problem with Castle Siege than Delfino?

 

[Hero Fly Chao]

Corneria
Distant Planet
Jungle Japes
Norfair
Pirate Ship
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Onett
Pokémon Stadium 2


I question the banning of these stages.


I mean, I kinda see some of them, but not enough to be banned.

It's a matter of principle, I think. The whole point of this ruleset, as Umbreon said, is to be conservative and test Player vs Player skill more than stage-based tricks and counterpicking know-how.

Most of the banned stages have hazards that simply just cause too much ruckus, and get in the way of the Player vs Player nature.
PS2's terrain causes movement complications (wind, ice, conveyors) that are just irritating, for example.

The others have either walk-off edges (Onett, Distant Planet,) or questionable shapes and killzones (Rainbow Cruise, Corneria.)

 

[Daimonster]

I was in love with the entire list until I saw Castle Siege under counterpicks. You can't ban DDD's standing infinite if you're going to leave this stage in the mix.

L2stay on a platform for the duration of the stage section. MK has the same problem against yoshi and marth...but you don't hear MK's crying "oh noes counterpick stage is SUPER effective."

 

[Blackbelt]

It's a matter of principle, I think. The whole point of this ruleset, as Umbreon said, is to be conservative and test Player vs Player skill more than stage-based tricks and counterpicking know-how.

Most of the banned stages have hazards that simply just cause too much ruckus, and get in the way of the Player vs Player nature.
PS2's terrain causes movement complications (wind, ice, conveyors) that are just irritating, for example.

The others have either walk-off edges (Onett, Distant Planet,) or questionable shapes and killzones (Rainbow Cruise, Corneria.)

Maybe I'm too liberal, but I honestly welcome chaos in the stages. To an extent, at least.

 

[Steeler]

needs green greens for the mk cp. that's my only real gripe. huge props for taking a better stand on gay camp/stall tactics.

 

[cAm8ooo]

Maybe I'm too liberal.

John McCain said the same thing.

Still waiting for the explanation of RC........ I'm guessing because of the slow constant movement.

 

[DanGR]

Wait, why do you have more of a problem with Castle Siege than Delfino?

Give me a minute...

L2stay on a platform for the duration of the stage section. MK has the same problem against yoshi and marth...but you don't hear MK's crying "oh noes counterpick stage is SUPER effective."

Let's go ahead and allow DDD's infinite on every stage but FD. Because really you can just "L2stay on a platform."

 

[Zankoku]

You can for 30 seconds, I should hope.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

pictochat is almost too random and walls at random times. what if you were fighting pit and the whale spawned on him? then he gets camping rights. i still say many of the others should not be banned, but still be CP. like RC JJ PS1 GG........

 

[Deleted member]

RC is banned because of the platform above the ship that can be used for stalling, and because of random wall pins that aren't true infinites, but function the same way that the infinites do into a KO.

I was really torn on this stage. I know Marc wanted it banned, but it's not a totally unreasonable counterpick.

 

[DanGR]

@Ankoku, They should both be banned imo.

There, I said it. :O

 

[XienZo]

Isn't that platform easy to reach with 2 jumps +maybe upB with any character and lead to star KOs?

 

[MK26]

I have never seen anyone use the platform above the ship to stall. that's just absurd...and anyways, dont you accumulate hoop damage while doing so?

And the rest of these?

Corneria
Distant Planet
Jungle Japes
Luigi's Mansion
Pictochat
Green Greens
Pokémon Stadium 2
Skyworld

They all seem reasonable to me...

 

[ShadowLink84]

The platform above the stage is reachable by many characters. in fact if you just perform nearly any uair on the opponent while they stand there they'll get Ko'ed.

problem is that not many characters can go up that high.

 

[HeroMystic]

I was questioning the large number of stages banned, but after understanding your point, I can see why you did so. <3 this ruleset.

Although I do have to agree on the fact that the suicide stuff seems flawed. Either suicide killing should be insta-loss or insta-win.

 

[XienZo]

The platform above the stage is reachable by many characters. in fact if you just perform nearly any uair on the opponent while they stand there they'll get Ko'ed.

problem is that not many characters can go up that high.

Who can't?

 

[cAm8ooo]

dumb question i know, But relative to the ground. Is the platform even that much higher then Battefields?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

skyworld is like a mini luigi mansion. its a floating cage and unless your recovery is good noone except the better recoveries stand a chance at living from being thrown off not to mention if you need the edge it can be destroyed right in front of you.

and couldn't stall be called on whoevers using this platform on RC? the walls can be avoided mostly too.

 

[typh]

this is pretty gay

 

[Daimonster]

This thread needs more <3.

<3 this ruleset.

 

[Asdioh]

RC is banned because of the platform above the ship that can be used for stalling, and because of random wall pins that aren't true infinites, but function the same way that the infinites do into a KO.

I was really torn on this stage. I know Marc wanted it banned, but it's not a totally unreasonable counterpick.

Even if they did stall there (I have never seen anyone do so) how long exactly do they have?

I would imagine not very long, and it's similar to Kirby/Jigglypuff/MK/Pit/??? flying under Final Destination (though probably less risky)
And don't they take damage up there?

Don't stand next to walls when you could be "locked" into scrolling deaths >_>

 

[HyperTheHedgehog]

Why don't we just get it over with and ban everything besides Smashville and Battlefield?