Counterpick list?

[calmchaos]

I know this is probably stupid. But I thought it would be cool to have a list of all the characters and their worst matchup.
I don't really know enough to make the list but I thought it would be cool to have one.
Also would be interested to hear what the super pros think their character gets most ***** by.

A list like:
Fox < ?
Marth < ?
Sheik < ?
Falco < ?

And so on.
Kind of like... if you were a master of all the characters, which one would you pick to **** the one you're playing against?

 

[ETWIST51294]

I would say
Fox>Shiek
Shiek>Marth
Marth>Falco
Falco>Fox

They all counter each other for some reason.

 

[otg]

I would say
Fox>Shiek
Shiek>Marth
Marth>Falco
Falco>Fox

They all counter each other for some reason.

Yeah if only it worked like that.

 

[unknown522]

fox and falco don't really have a bad matchip.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

sheik > *insert anyone below high tier*

 

[otg]

sheik > *insert anyone below mid tier*

Fixed that for ya,

 

[Strong Badam]

sheik > *insert anyone*

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Cloud XV]

sheik > *insert anything imaginable*

KK now we have it perfect.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Yeah if only it worked like that.

yeah, I wish it did...

 

[keeper]

Fox>Sheik
Fox=Marth
Fox<Falco
Marth>Falco
Marth<Sheik
Sheik=Falco

*shrug*

 

[lordvaati]

some others(only sure on about 60-70% sure on these. please clairify otherwise)....

Mario>DK

Luigi>Mario

Ganon>Samus

Samus>Doc

Doc>Ganon

IC>>>DK

IC>Luigi

Pichu=Kirby

Pikachu>Kirby

DK>Mewtwo

Mewtwo>Bowser

Kirby>Bowser

Bowser>Pichu

Ness>Bowser

Jiggs>>Ness

ICs>>>>>>Bowser

Peach>Jiggs

Jiggs>Cap

Mario>Ness

Mario=Doc

not sure on most of these, but there you go.

 

[Fletch]

There's just too much that would go into this, as a lot of this is stage dependent... For example, Fox's worst matchups would be Marth on FD or Falco on non-FD, but then he can completely throw the matchup in his favor against Marth by picking a stage like Pokefloats and FD for Falco. Matchups just aren't as simple as Character A>Character B, unless it's Sheik vs. a majority of the cast.

 

[lordvaati]

There's just too much that would go into this, as a lot of this is stage dependent... For example, Fox's worst matchups would be Marth on FD or Falco on non-FD, but then he can completely throw the matchup in his favor against Marth by picking a stage like Pokefloats and FD for Falco. Matchups just aren't as simple as Character A>Character B, unless it's Sheik vs. a majority of the cast.

true. Like how a Fox or Falco can Massacre a peach on Corneria, but get destroyed on Brinstar.

 

[calmchaos]

Hey lord Vaati...
Why does Mario **** DK so hard?

 

[greenblob]

sheik > ur m0m

Isn't there a matchup chart already?

 

[calmchaos]

I wasn't looking for a matchup chart. Just people's opinions on the one character you would pick to **** another character in a set.
Like... if you knew they had to stay w/ one character for 3 random stage matches, which one would you pick (if you could only use one) to give yourself the best chance of beating them.

I know the matchup chart would show this, but I like to hear who people think ***** their character the best. Just that one character you feel like your main CANNOT beat... and why.

That's what I was going for anyway...

My main is falcon, and I hate the sheik matchup. Even though the fox/falco matchups are probably worse for the captain, I just HATE sheik. The spacie matchups are fun, and feel winnable... the sheik one on the other hand I hate more than seth rogan.

 

[Fletch]

Sheik is probably Falcon's worst matchup actually, so that makes sense.

 

[-ACE-]

Doc>Ganon

This one is really close but probably 55/45 in Ganon's favor.

 

[Defqon.1]

Here's what I'd counterpick (these are based off my own skill levels vs. the people I've played):

Fox/Falco > Sheik
Falco > Falcon
Sheik >>>>>> Falcon
Falcon > Marth
Falcon > Fox
uh, try something and hope for the best > Falco
Roy > Fox/Falco (for lulz)

 

[calmchaos]

I like to beat foxs with falcon too. But if they know their stuff it can be a really bad matchup for falcon.

 

[lordvaati]

Hey lord Vaati...
Why does Mario **** DK so hard?

he's one of the characters that Mario's close range style is most effective against. plus, Mario can CG him easy. It's about 60-40 or 55-45 for Mario, but it's not really ****. DK vs. IC or Shiek- that's ****.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Sheik is probably Falcon's worst matchup actually, so that makes sense.

I would disagree, Falco is just as bad if not worse. Falco can shut down your whole offensive game.

 

[joeplicate]

Hey lord Vaati...
Why does Mario **** DK so hard?

more like why does DK **** the **** out of mario?

mario's first game was Donkey Kong, that's why

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

I would disagree, Falco is just as bad if not worse. Falco can shut down your whole offensive game.

Falco vs Falcon isn't nearly as bad as people think. Sheik is Falcon's worst by far.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Falco vs Falcon isn't nearly as bad as people think. Sheik is Falcon's worst by far.

I guess i just hate playing Falco then. But i hate getting tech chased all the time too.

 

[Jihnsius]

Counterpick list: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234220
Just look for anything around 65-35 up to 100-0.