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You run, you jump, you perfect shield, you learn how to spot-dodge. And stay close.Do you guys have any general advice on learning to approach? My biggest issues right now are Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, and Villager, but any overall tips on getting in would be appreciated.
It's generally the forced approachs that I have problems with.They won't just let you in for free though. Depending on the character and playstyle your opponent is using, a lot of times their goal is either to keep you out and rack up damage, get a conversion off of a hit, or to force an approach to punish.
what is spot dodge?You run, you jump, you perfect shield, you learn how to spot-dodge. And stay close.
Those are the only defenses you have, and the only ones you'll ever need with so many predictable projectiles.
Seriously, if you are not putting the pressure, you are just asking for unnecessary damage.
I find that the key to a good approach is a mix up. Your options are usually short hop nairs/fairs, pivoted ftilts/dtilts/jabs, and a dash grab/pivot grab if they shield.It's generally the forced approachs that I have problems with.
Yeah man, I could not touch a Samus the other day. Just balled around the stage. Drove me bonkers. I tried to keep playing against the Samus just so I could try and learn a strat to beat her, couldn't do it. Ended up just leaving that matchup after 10 losses in a row.When you're up against a dedicated zoner (usually Samus's and people who spam projectiles), chances are the guy has a very mediocre close game. Use that to your advantage with Ike's quick jabs, d-tilt, and n-airs. If the zoner feels brave and tries to fight back (which they will), throw in the counter! Don't forget the d-smash either cus zoners like to roll.
Down smash is perfect for a roller. Especially when Samus has a very slow and readible roll. And you probably weren't blocking projectiles. Don't be too aggressive against a zoner because they'll blast you away.Yeah man, I could not touch a Samus the other day. Just balled around the stage. Drove me bonkers. I tried to keep playing against the Samus just so I could try and learn a strat to beat her, couldn't do it. Ended up just leaving that matchup after 10 losses in a row.
But again, I'm a very very new Smash player, so I don't have all the basics down solid like you guys do.
Down smash for rollers, OK cool. That is helpful. I need to practice that. I very rarely use downsmash. Because of my skill level, I play against alot of people who roll (block-right-left-move?) around the stage. I myself do some of the same. But as Ike, I tend to be more on the offensive (chasing zoners), so I don't roll as much as a Samus.Down smash is perfect for a roller. Especially when Samus has a very slow and readible roll. And you probably weren't blocking projectiles. Don't be too aggressive against a zoner because they'll blast you away.
One thing to learn since you're new. Rolling is a bad habit. Against higher tier players, rolling is just a free hit, or even worse, a combo. Block and Dodge (down-block) are your absolute best friends. It's tough but try to resist the urge to roll so much.... especially rolling into your enemy.
Keep practicing, you'll get it. This game is a lot more than dash attacks and forward smashes.
Dash-grabbing helps with that... Like hitting the grab button while running. It helps you slide up to the guy and grab for more consistency. Unfortunately, I don't make much use of grab because of my main's terrible ending lag on a miss but if Im up against a shield-heavy opponent I'm much more confident.Down smash for rollers, OK cool. That is helpful. I need to practice that. I very rarely use downsmash. Because of my skill level, I play against alot of people who roll (block-right-left-move?) around the stage. I myself do some of the same. But as Ike, I tend to be more on the offensive (chasing zoners), so I don't roll as much as a Samus.
The one thing I really struggle with is grabbing people, man that is hard, and makes you so open when you whiff it. But everyone grabs me perfectly! :-X
I'm in the same boat as you man, I'm pretty new and Zoners just get me mad, it feels very satisfying getting in their face but I know the issues that you face, I enjoy Ike and I don't wanna drop him but It does get difficult.This was a very helpful post, thank you. I've been struggling with zoners. But getting aggressive in their face, and forcing them to retreat and stay out of the corner makes the difference so far. Also, I'm playing at a much lower level of difficulty in my FG matches.