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Dedede vs. Kirby matchup
- Thread starter MK26
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Buuman
Smash Ace
I disagree. Firstly, kirby cannot be chaingrabbed. Secondly kirby can combo d3 up the *** due to his size using the fthrow up air uptilt combo etc. Kirby can also gimp dededes recovery with multiple downairs, not so much with the back air considering d3 has more range. Although dedede is stronger than kirby, i would say this match is 60:40 in kirbys favor
PinkPwnageFrenzy
Smash Journeyman
Even with the dash grab release? I'd say it's around 55 - 45 in kirby's favor, but honestly I don't have loads of Kirby experience.
Thee Incubus
Smash Journeyman
Yep. As most DDD's have said, it is more for Kirby with his combo ability, no chaingrab against Kirby, and fast kill moves. A smart Kirby definitely has a slight advantage.
55-45/60-40 Kirby's favor.
55-45/60-40 Kirby's favor.
I usually lose this match up, its sooo hard to bair kirbeh ~_~ tilts always get shield grabbed..and his air game is too good
Its ****ing hard to land a kill move off on him too for some reason, at least to me. I have an easier time vs. meta than kirby...this is 65/35 IMO
Its ****ing hard to land a kill move off on him too for some reason, at least to me. I have an easier time vs. meta than kirby...this is 65/35 IMO
CO18
Smash Hero
IMO its 55:45 For DDD.
Maybe neutral, at most 55/45 for kirby.
All you really need to do is just space kirby. Ftilt him, if he starts spamming bair, then you start spamming bair or shield drop it to ftilt because if the kirby spaces his bair right you wont be able to shield grab it most of the time.
And once he tries to get in just grab him and keep him away. Its really not that hard, I actually find it harder for kirby to return to the stage vs ddd then vice versa.
Kirby dies way before DDD, fsmash can kill DDD pretty low%'s but you know it's coming and it's easy to predict/punish.
Either way, it's pretty neutral
Maybe neutral, at most 55/45 for kirby.
All you really need to do is just space kirby. Ftilt him, if he starts spamming bair, then you start spamming bair or shield drop it to ftilt because if the kirby spaces his bair right you wont be able to shield grab it most of the time.
And once he tries to get in just grab him and keep him away. Its really not that hard, I actually find it harder for kirby to return to the stage vs ddd then vice versa.
Kirby dies way before DDD, fsmash can kill DDD pretty low%'s but you know it's coming and it's easy to predict/punish.
Either way, it's pretty neutral
MK26
Smash Master
Thanks for your input guys. If you post your input on the Kirby matchup thread, like CO18, we can get an actual discussion going with both sides. The Kirbies are actually closer to CO18's opinion o the match, thinking it's closer to neutral.
-MK26
-MK26
Buuman
Smash Ace
i'll post in the kirby forums laterz
Buuman
Smash Ace
the signature at the end isnt necessary? lol
MK26
Smash Master
I missed this before...What dash grab release?
And do you guys in general think it's 60-40 in favour of Kirby, or closer to neutral?
Not completely sure but I believe that if you dash grab on certain characters, they are forced into a jump release and D3 you can follow up with whatever move is appropriate.
I don't remember the entire list but I do know that this can be done on Kirby, G&W, Mario, Pikachu, and the Mother Boys. Maybe Wario too.
I don't remember the entire list but I do know that this can be done on Kirby, G&W, Mario, Pikachu, and the Mother Boys. Maybe Wario too.
MK26
Smash Master
Well...you can't really do much out of a jump release against a Kirby...he regains control just after he starts falling again, and he travels too far away for you to do anything but chuck a Waddle Dee at him for pressure.
If you would like to contribute to the discussion, please do so here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201742
Hopefully we only need 2 or 3 days more to complete the data and come to an agreement on the matchup rating...I've seen everything for 55-45 for D3 to 65-35 for Kirby.
If you would like to contribute to the discussion, please do so here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201742
Hopefully we only need 2 or 3 days more to complete the data and come to an agreement on the matchup rating...I've seen everything for 55-45 for D3 to 65-35 for Kirby.
streetracr77
Smash Journeyman
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I think kirby has a GREAT advantage over d3. Kirby can grab combo him very easily and i think kirby can't be chain grabbed. Kirby is also a very small, floaty, target.
The Pink Mist
Smash Rookie
I may seem a bit biased haha. But im gonna say 70-30 in kirbys favor. there is way to many ways for kirby to beat him. The speed is a cleear advantage. His mallet in close combat is far faster than D3's so therefor making close combat an advaantage. Then theres plenty of other ways for him to simply avoid D3 in CC.
thats just me seems like an easy match
thats just me seems like an easy match