mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
dao i think, though i didn't read and just guessed haha
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Diddy Kong's Barrel of Matchups Character # 12 Snake
- Thread starter chimpact
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I think diddy has a lot of really good options on snake when he's coming down from the air. I realized it's kinda dumb to throw bananas up, but just to place them where he's going to land, and then predict the b stick grenade so you can grab him or something.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
So you got together and played Dao the next day (after world 1-4), or was there another tournament or what?
If so, I feel left out.
Even if I was Darth Vader. D=
Count
Smash Champion
I can't believe nobody else thinks this is 6:4 snake..surely wyatt will post his thoughts?!
?!
?!
chimpact
Smash Lord
Wyatt-
"Snake is gay. Time him out when you get a lead. Shield first hit of ftilt and smash throw banana, use monkey flip, but not carelessly. Gimp him off stage if you can.
Snake is gay gay gay"
That's my best impression.
"Snake is gay. Time him out when you get a lead. Shield first hit of ftilt and smash throw banana, use monkey flip, but not carelessly. Gimp him off stage if you can.
Snake is gay gay gay"
That's my best impression.
chimpact
Smash Lord
SNAKE CAN'T GIMP US! WTF are you talkin about?
SuSa
Banned via Administration
*throws grenade at your barrel*
*laughs*
*hovers nikita in a circle a bit under and away from ledge*
*laughs*
*runs out and bairs you*
*laughs*
*jumps above you and drops and explodes a c4*
*laughs*
chimpact
Smash Lord
He's super slow in the air, Snake would rather set up his field position with mines, grenades, c4 than chase you, and you can just hold your barrels until his bair ends or just not use the barrels at all.
I have never seen a top snake gimp a diddy with anything but c4 or maybe the occasional (lucky) fair.
If you throw a grenade at our barrels we have to be charging them before you actually throw it (I'm pretty sure we can just charge it and not deploy them)
And Diddy will not recover with barrels at level with the stage and snake will not have enough time to get above diddy and drop a grenade. He's too slow in the air.
Nikita only works if diddy is recovering low and when diddy DI'd badly (from a ftilt or throw)
Jumps above you and c4? yea that's pretty rare.
Show me videos of this happening. Theory crafting is stupid especially with snake (even though this isn't really "theory crafting")
I have never seen a top snake gimp a diddy with anything but c4 or maybe the occasional (lucky) fair.
If you throw a grenade at our barrels we have to be charging them before you actually throw it (I'm pretty sure we can just charge it and not deploy them)
And Diddy will not recover with barrels at level with the stage and snake will not have enough time to get above diddy and drop a grenade. He's too slow in the air.
Nikita only works if diddy is recovering low and when diddy DI'd badly (from a ftilt or throw)
Jumps above you and c4? yea that's pretty rare.
Show me videos of this happening. Theory crafting is stupid especially with snake (even though this isn't really "theory crafting")
nash123
Smash Journeyman
So, explain to me exactly how your gonna hit him with a nade, diddies don't typically upb above stage ya know, way to think that thru brudda, keep it real but whatever your fckin susa errthang you say is right ya digg?
*laughs*
Gnes
Smash Master
LOLZ
I love u guys.
The reason snake is 60-40 is not because of gimps, but because he is nearly unapproachable. Thats why when u get the lead, keep it by all means possible.
I love u guys.
The reason snake is 60-40 is not because of gimps, but because he is nearly unapproachable. Thats why when u get the lead, keep it by all means possible.
How would those actually gimp Diddy? Besides the Bair, all of those send Diddy up and then he can just recover normally...Unless he DI's into the stage and stage spikes himself, I don't see them to be that much of a threat.
True about approaching...Just keep probing with bananas and insta-throwing those grenades back.
True about approaching...Just keep probing with bananas and insta-throwing those grenades back.
nash123
Smash Journeyman
shutup dont question susa hes right fgt
GooseMainsDiddy
Smash Ace
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Lol just watch ADHD and you will see how to take down a Snake.
ChocoNaner
Smash Journeyman
Give Diddy lazer peanuts and d3's grab range. gg snake
Srsly though, it's all in the monkey hump, and grabs, but mostly the monkey hump. :3
Srsly though, it's all in the monkey hump, and grabs, but mostly the monkey hump. :3
When you have conditioned him to shield.
thanks,
but wat about wen he's spamming the nades,
its really hard to approach,
and which is better, the down air or up b for the spike
Count
Smash Champion
Wyatt can't beat Antis snake..gnes can't beat razer..AZ sometimes loses to nope even though nope isn't as good as those other snakes..snake is clearly our worst nemesis.
he doesn't die, you can't approach him, etc.
Wyatt is good against snake, but if a snake knows the matchup (anti) then its soooo hard.
he doesn't die, you can't approach him, etc.
Wyatt is good against snake, but if a snake knows the matchup (anti) then its soooo hard.
Instant throw the grenades back at him, but watch out if he is cooking them...If he's cooking them, just jump to avoid them since if he strips it from you the smaller fuse may not allow you to get away in time. When you start throwing them back, he will have to shield and will give you a chance to get closer and probe with bananas...I don't like to be in range of his grab without him being tripped.
Dair is always safer than barrel spike because if you don't space it correctly, the barrels will be deployed because of the cypher.
That being said, he's my favorite match up...Be prepared to do work son.
so is wyatt adhd?
chimpact
Smash Lord
YEa he is.
Player-1
Smash Legend
I did see something in the ally vs adhd matches back at apex which I thought could be a good gimp thing for snake but I've only seen ally do it and only once so I'll keep that to myself ^.^
SuSa
Banned via Administration
I advise you to all to face Snake's who actually watch you recover.
More Snake's are worried about winning, know Snake isn't awesome offstage, so set up shop on stage. While this works, I feel it's mostly useless.
If you hear NOW!, unless you ALREADY SEE the C4 nowhere near you, press shield. Seriously. If you can't see it, you are probably on it or under it. Just get in the habit of pressing shield.
If you see a mine, please. Run over it, perfect shield it. Roll over it. Throw a banana on it. Stop letting us use it against you.
Oh hey, you just made shop useless!
*throws slightly cooked grenade*
*grenade strips it above your predicted (and best) point in which to use up-B*
*laughs*
Also I take everything I say, straight from actually performing it. Many times. We are able to wrack damage on you when you try to recover, and unless you manage to avoid things perfectly, or we don't fully understand the matchup (which includes offstage knowledge and how to gimp you) you will get gimped.
The moral of the story? Up-B from random *** places so it's harder for me to predict you. Just make sure those random spots are still safe.
Bair hits you up if you DI up, also you assume (save nikita) that I don't plan to followup the explosion with an aerial.
More Snake's are worried about winning, know Snake isn't awesome offstage, so set up shop on stage. While this works, I feel it's mostly useless.
If you hear NOW!, unless you ALREADY SEE the C4 nowhere near you, press shield. Seriously. If you can't see it, you are probably on it or under it. Just get in the habit of pressing shield.
If you see a mine, please. Run over it, perfect shield it. Roll over it. Throw a banana on it. Stop letting us use it against you.
Oh hey, you just made shop useless!
*throws slightly cooked grenade*
*grenade strips it above your predicted (and best) point in which to use up-B*
*laughs*
Also I take everything I say, straight from actually performing it. Many times. We are able to wrack damage on you when you try to recover, and unless you manage to avoid things perfectly, or we don't fully understand the matchup (which includes offstage knowledge and how to gimp you) you will get gimped.
The moral of the story? Up-B from random *** places so it's harder for me to predict you. Just make sure those random spots are still safe.
Bair hits you up if you DI up, also you assume (save nikita) that I don't plan to followup the explosion with an aerial.
Gnes
Smash Master
Pretty much. The difference at least between me and wyatt is that hes actually good at the matchup...yet he still gets ****ed over by Anti(though i think anti doesnt play singles anymore).
Hmm...one thing i must say is that if ur doing the approaching in this matchup and its working.
A. The snake ur playing does not know the matchup
B. The person playing is very below your skill level
C. well u get the point.
Approaching in this matchup will not work. Always wait for snake to make the first move and respond appropriately. I was advocate of playing aggressively a little while back, that completely fails. Get the lead, and don't ever approach or u will lose.
Any vids, I'm curious if the grenade's explosion deploys the barrels or the Diddy blasts head first into the grenade. My first impression is the grenade exploding would be too time intensive so I assume the latter, in which there are ways around it. Doesn't grenade stripping mean that you're making your opponent dropping it, or does it also refer to it dropping out of the air as well?
Gnes, can we agree that we can approach to say...maybe right outside of Snakes Ftilt range and be happy?
ADHD
Smash Hero
It's not true. You HAVE to approach. At least until you have a minor lead. But either way, snake will somehow make it back up and even it out. You can't play aggressive, but you can't be overly passive. It's about baiting snake into whatever. Just know you can't make any mistakes, but he can make a million and get away with it.
@Susa, **** you smoking! Snake can't gimp diddy lol, only with a bair and that's situational.
but its true, snake has a hard time killing diddy,
i usually live to like 160 0r 180
but diddy cant kill him,
Coyn3Masta
Smash Journeyman
>_>? Snake doesn't have a hard time killing, we do
white peachy
Smash Ace
Diddy has to get snake to the edge of the stage to reliably kill him before 180-200%. He should be able to kill you by 120-130% maximum with utilt. This to me, is the most frustrating aspect of the matchup, snake just lives forever and is loaded with kill moves and superior camping abilities.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
ADHD.... aren't all gimps... pretty situational usually?
It's already situational in the fact we have to get you off stage.
@Gheb
We can pivot grab you out of every single one of your attacks. All of them.
It's already situational in the fact we have to get you off stage.
@Gheb
We can pivot grab you out of every single one of your attacks. All of them.
ADHD
Smash Hero
No you can't <_< YOU CAN'T PIVOT GRAB A GLIDETOSS, WUT! And all characters can pivot grab diddy's side b, its really hard to do though (unless your DDD and naturally grab everything frame perfectly.)
SuSa
Banned via Administration
A glide toss is technically not an attack. (Or at least I don't consider throws an attack)
Also Snake's pivot grab (I believe) is larger then DDD's pivot grab.
Also Snake's pivot grab (I believe) is larger then DDD's pivot grab.
Jupz
Smash Master
Are you sure Susa? Dedede has a ****ing big grab range and his pivot grab is longer 
Player-1
Smash Legend
No .
chimpact
Smash Lord
gg tibs cp?