Hey everyone,
I spent a few hours going through the entire cast and gathering data to reliably hit one of the most stylish combos in the game; Dthrow to Wolf Flash. I made a lot of interesting observations along the way that I would like to share with those interested in playing Wolf.
Wolf Flash was personally a very hard move for me to wrap my head around. I didn't understand why it had roughly a 37-40 degree angle instead of the more linear one we usually associate with spaceys, why it's hit boxes are so ambiguous, and most importantly what the hell is it supposed to be used for aside from recovery? I am pretty sure most people reading this immediately recognized the moves potential as a read-based platform punish, and that was working for me for the first few weeks of the game, but people have gotten wise to Wolf's shenanigans it seems. I saw a video from Leffen showing that the angle of Wolf Flash could be altered, and that it could true combo from dthrow, but there is no data that I am aware of that shows the percentages and other weird properties of the move interacting with the entire cast. So here you go. All true combo percentages for the combo will be shown below.
Before I get to the meat and potatoes, I should first let you know that the move took me a while to get the muscle memory down to do it consistently. Once I learned to put my faith in the buffer system it became extremely easy and satisfying to pull off. The most important aspect of building the muscle memory into your hands is learning how to consistently perform the lowest angle possible of Wolf Flash. This is imperative to the true combo on almost the entire cast. There are only a couple of exceptions to this rule and even in those cases it is still probably better to just always go for the lowest angle instead of trying to make a hard read to get the spike hitbox. The tolerances on the move are just too tight, and landing a hit is always better than not with a move that is this laggy. More on that later.
The data below will show multiple percentage ranges for every character in the cast. The reason for this is that Wolf Flash has both a spike hitbox, and a launching hitbox. Both are very good for different reasons, and having an idea of which one you are going to land is important in planning your next steps in the fight. So for each character you will see the acronym SB (Spike Box) and LB (Launch Box) to denote which hit you are going to get at those percentages. At the end of the data section I will include some observations that I made about the move during testing. The percentages represent the opponents damage prior to being thrown and do not take into consideration rage or DI. Dthrow has so little knockback growth that the numbers should yield a pretty good range of effective percentages for all characters however. Alright, here we go:
1. Mario: SB 50-73, LB 44-49 / 74-79
2. Donkey Kong: SB 52-58, LB 35-51 / 89-99
3. Link: SB 53-74, LB 31-39* / 46-52 / 75-80
4. Samus: SB 39-85, LB 33-38 / 86-92
4e. Dark Samus: SB 39-85, LB 35-38 / 86-92
5. Yoshi: SB 49-79, LB 39-48 / 80-87
6. Kirby: SB 36-64, LB 30-35 / 65-71
7. Fox: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 41-62
8. Pikachu: SB 52-67, LB 42-51 / 68-80
9. Luigi: SB 38-71, LB 30-37 / 72-76
10. Ness: SB 37-67, LB 30-37 / 68-74
11. Captain Falcon: SB 62-78, LB 79-88
12. Jigglypuff: SB 25-54, LB 24 / 55-63
13. Peach: SB 31-62, LB 28-30 / 63-71
13e. Daisy: See Peach
14. Bowser: SB 64-90, LB 37-63 / 91-99
15: Ice Climbers: SB 41-70, LB 35-40 / 71-77
16. Shiek: SB 46-65, LB 39-45 / 66-72
17. Zelda: SB 37-70, LB 29-36 / 71-77
18. Dr. Mario: SB 50-73, LB 44-49 / 74-79
19. Pichu: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 31-41**
20. Falco: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 49-72
21. Marth: SB 46-75, LB 40-45 / 76-81
21e. Lucina: See Marth
22. Young Link: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 31-44 / 54-77
23. Ganondorf: SB 50-88, LB 89-95
24. Mewtwo: SB 36-72, LB 34-35 / 73-78
25. Roy: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 57-82 (seems Techable at 57, but not at 58)
25e: Chrom: See Roy
26. Mr. Game & Watch: SB 32-61, LB 26-31 / 62-67
27. Meta Knight: SB 47-62, LB 29-46 / 63-73
28. Pit: SB 41-79, LB 34-40 / 80-86
28e. Dark Pit: See Pit
29. Zero Suit Samus: SB 49-63, LB 42-48 / 64-73
30. Wario: SB 54-81, LB 47-53 / 82-89
31. Snake: SB 60-84, LB 51-59 / 85-91
32. Ike: SB 57-82, LB 49-56 / 83-90
POKEMON TRAINER
33. Squirtle: SB 28-60, LB 26-27 / 61-66
34, Ivysaur: SB 38-76, LB 32-37 / 77-85
35. Charizard: SB 41-80, LB 36-40 / 81-89
36. Diddy Kong: SB 62, LB 34-48*** / 51-61 / 63-77
37. Lucas: SB 37-66, LB 67-74
38: Sonic: SB 43-60, LB 61-70
39. King Dedede: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 35-89 (Seems Techable earlier in the damage range, avoid using before 40 or so)
40. Olimar: SB 43-61, LB 35-42 / 62-70
41. Lucario: SB 55-63, LB 46-54 (Seems Techable) / 64-81
42. Rob: SB 40-82: LB 31-39 (Seems Techable) / 83-90
43. Toon Link: SB 45-71, LB 38-44 / 72-78
44. Wolf: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 52-78
45. Villager: SB 35-66, LB 29-34 (Seems Techable) / 67-74
46. Mega Man: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 35-48 (CAREFUL Techable through entire range) / 58-69 (Still may be techable)
47. Wii Fit Trainer: SB 37-73, LB 30-36 / 74-80
48. Rosalina & Luma: SB 32-68, LB 27-31 / 69-76
49. Little Mac: SB 69-71, LB 63-68 / 72-79
50. Greninja: SB 44-68, LB 41-43 / 69-73
MII FIGHTER
51. Mii Brawler: SB 58-69, LB 52-57 / 70-79
52. Mii Swordfighter: SB 49-76, LB 42-48 / 77-82
53. Mii Gunner: SB 48-76, LB 41-47 / 77-83
54. Palutena: SB 44-67, LB 35-43 (Seems Techable) / 68-74
55. Pac Man: SB 42-68, LB 35-41 (Techable) / 69-79
56. Robin: SB 51-79, LB 43-40 (Seems Techable) / 80-86
57. Shulk: SB 58-70, LB 47-57 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 71-80
58. Bowser Jr: SB 48-77, LB ~32-47 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 78-86
59. Duck Hunt: SB 39-70, LB 28-38 (Techable) / 71-79
60. Ryu: SB 48-77, LB 43-47 (Techable) / 78-83
60e. Ken: See Ryu
61. Cloud: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 59-76 (DThrow sends cloud at an extremely long and low trajectory for some reason)
62. Corrin: SB 57-72, LB 48-56 / 73-80
63. Bayonetta: SB 59-64, LB 48-58 / 65-73
64. Inkling: SB 42-74, LB 41 / 75-84
65: Ridley: SB 57-80, LB 32-56 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 81-90
66. Simon: SB 67-69, LB 61-66 / 70-82
66e. Richter: SB 68-69, LB 61-67 / 70-85
67. King K. Rool: SB 59-98, LB 37-58 (Techable early in range) / 99-107 (Inconsistently hits at 108)
68. Isabelle: SB 39-67, LB 33-38 (Probably Techable) / 68-76
69. Inceneroar: SB 57-82, LB 83-88
70. Piranha Plant: Only can hit with DI in above ~50%. Not worth going for imo
71. Joker: SB 42-72, LB 40-41 / 73-78
72 Hero: SB 60-77, LB Untrue 43-56, LB 57-59 / 78-83
73. Banjo & Kazooie: SB 72-79, LB 59-71, 80-86 ****
74. Terry: SB 49-75, LB 44-48 / 76-80
75. Byleth: SB 52-75, LB 43-51 / 76-80
76. Min Min: SB 58-73 (Untrue starting at 44), LB 37-43 (Untrue) / 74-85
77. Steve: SB 54-66 (Untrue starting at 35), LB 28-34 (Untrue) / 67-74
78. Sephiroth: Only possible with DI in, making it unreliable. &&
79. Pyra: SB 56-70, LB 71-87
79 Mythra: Only possible with extreme DI in from ~54 to ~85. Likelihood of this happening? Practically Zero.
80. Kazuya: SB 61-82 (Untrue starting at 57), LB 83-89 (Untrue from 53-56)
81. Sora: SB 52-70 (Untrue starting at 46), LB 71-78 (Untrue from 39-45) *****
Observations:
Most of the cast is highly susceptible to this combo. Most have an effective damage range of nearly 50% which makes it a very versatile and reliable way of either racking damage or ending stocks early with an offstage suicide once it's mastered. Knowing the matchup is crucial in gauging when and how to apply it however, and some characters that are susceptible to the true combo in the training room are not likely to get hit at early percentages in an actual fight. Keep that in mind.
The general trend with this move is that it has a narrow window in early percentages where it will hit and you will get the LB, a very wide window where you will get the SB, and a final somewhat narrow window where the LB comes back online again. I do not recommend going for the early LB window ever. On most of the cast it is somewhere between 33-43% and at that range Dthrow - dash attack is a thing, or Uthrow into juggles is a thing. This should exclusively be utilized above 55% as a general rule IMHO.
Character Specific Notes:
*Link is really freakin weird. The combo seemed to come online as early as 31-39%, but I think this is a false true combo because his angle is so shallow off the dthrow that anyone should be able to tech it.
**DO NOT EVEN TRY THIS AGAINST PICHU. The rat is too small to hit with this setup. I must have tried for 20 minutes to no avail.
*** Diddy Kong also interacts with dthrow in very weird ways below 50% or so. His angle is extremely shallow, yet the combo counter was indicating true combos from 34-48. Do not trust the training room alone.
**** I cannot recommend attempting this against Banjo. He flies really 'flat' off of dthrow and will be able to escape it with even slight DI away or down and away. He has a less predictable trajectory than any other heavyweight in my experience testing this out.
&& Sephiroth cannot be hit reliably with D-throw to flash, BUT he is susceptible to FF Fair to Flash. The upper limit for it is around 67% based on my testing. Lower limit is around 45%.
***** Sora has an awful weight for wolf to reliably combo. Still, he may have the right level of "floatiness" for this to be guaranteed regardless of DI at some point in the SB true combo range, akin to Peach not being able top avoid it at certain ranges.
In closing, I hope this helps anyone who is interested. Please put this information to the test on your own because I am not a pro and I may have made mistakes along the way. The more people testing this out and having fun with Wolf the better. See you all back in Smash.
-Qualudes
I spent a few hours going through the entire cast and gathering data to reliably hit one of the most stylish combos in the game; Dthrow to Wolf Flash. I made a lot of interesting observations along the way that I would like to share with those interested in playing Wolf.
Wolf Flash was personally a very hard move for me to wrap my head around. I didn't understand why it had roughly a 37-40 degree angle instead of the more linear one we usually associate with spaceys, why it's hit boxes are so ambiguous, and most importantly what the hell is it supposed to be used for aside from recovery? I am pretty sure most people reading this immediately recognized the moves potential as a read-based platform punish, and that was working for me for the first few weeks of the game, but people have gotten wise to Wolf's shenanigans it seems. I saw a video from Leffen showing that the angle of Wolf Flash could be altered, and that it could true combo from dthrow, but there is no data that I am aware of that shows the percentages and other weird properties of the move interacting with the entire cast. So here you go. All true combo percentages for the combo will be shown below.
Before I get to the meat and potatoes, I should first let you know that the move took me a while to get the muscle memory down to do it consistently. Once I learned to put my faith in the buffer system it became extremely easy and satisfying to pull off. The most important aspect of building the muscle memory into your hands is learning how to consistently perform the lowest angle possible of Wolf Flash. This is imperative to the true combo on almost the entire cast. There are only a couple of exceptions to this rule and even in those cases it is still probably better to just always go for the lowest angle instead of trying to make a hard read to get the spike hitbox. The tolerances on the move are just too tight, and landing a hit is always better than not with a move that is this laggy. More on that later.
The data below will show multiple percentage ranges for every character in the cast. The reason for this is that Wolf Flash has both a spike hitbox, and a launching hitbox. Both are very good for different reasons, and having an idea of which one you are going to land is important in planning your next steps in the fight. So for each character you will see the acronym SB (Spike Box) and LB (Launch Box) to denote which hit you are going to get at those percentages. At the end of the data section I will include some observations that I made about the move during testing. The percentages represent the opponents damage prior to being thrown and do not take into consideration rage or DI. Dthrow has so little knockback growth that the numbers should yield a pretty good range of effective percentages for all characters however. Alright, here we go:
1. Mario: SB 50-73, LB 44-49 / 74-79
2. Donkey Kong: SB 52-58, LB 35-51 / 89-99
3. Link: SB 53-74, LB 31-39* / 46-52 / 75-80
4. Samus: SB 39-85, LB 33-38 / 86-92
4e. Dark Samus: SB 39-85, LB 35-38 / 86-92
5. Yoshi: SB 49-79, LB 39-48 / 80-87
6. Kirby: SB 36-64, LB 30-35 / 65-71
7. Fox: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 41-62
8. Pikachu: SB 52-67, LB 42-51 / 68-80
9. Luigi: SB 38-71, LB 30-37 / 72-76
10. Ness: SB 37-67, LB 30-37 / 68-74
11. Captain Falcon: SB 62-78, LB 79-88
12. Jigglypuff: SB 25-54, LB 24 / 55-63
13. Peach: SB 31-62, LB 28-30 / 63-71
13e. Daisy: See Peach
14. Bowser: SB 64-90, LB 37-63 / 91-99
15: Ice Climbers: SB 41-70, LB 35-40 / 71-77
16. Shiek: SB 46-65, LB 39-45 / 66-72
17. Zelda: SB 37-70, LB 29-36 / 71-77
18. Dr. Mario: SB 50-73, LB 44-49 / 74-79
19. Pichu: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 31-41**
20. Falco: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 49-72
21. Marth: SB 46-75, LB 40-45 / 76-81
21e. Lucina: See Marth
22. Young Link: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 31-44 / 54-77
23. Ganondorf: SB 50-88, LB 89-95
24. Mewtwo: SB 36-72, LB 34-35 / 73-78
25. Roy: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 57-82 (seems Techable at 57, but not at 58)
25e: Chrom: See Roy
26. Mr. Game & Watch: SB 32-61, LB 26-31 / 62-67
27. Meta Knight: SB 47-62, LB 29-46 / 63-73
28. Pit: SB 41-79, LB 34-40 / 80-86
28e. Dark Pit: See Pit
29. Zero Suit Samus: SB 49-63, LB 42-48 / 64-73
30. Wario: SB 54-81, LB 47-53 / 82-89
31. Snake: SB 60-84, LB 51-59 / 85-91
32. Ike: SB 57-82, LB 49-56 / 83-90
POKEMON TRAINER
33. Squirtle: SB 28-60, LB 26-27 / 61-66
34, Ivysaur: SB 38-76, LB 32-37 / 77-85
35. Charizard: SB 41-80, LB 36-40 / 81-89
36. Diddy Kong: SB 62, LB 34-48*** / 51-61 / 63-77
37. Lucas: SB 37-66, LB 67-74
38: Sonic: SB 43-60, LB 61-70
39. King Dedede: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 35-89 (Seems Techable earlier in the damage range, avoid using before 40 or so)
40. Olimar: SB 43-61, LB 35-42 / 62-70
41. Lucario: SB 55-63, LB 46-54 (Seems Techable) / 64-81
42. Rob: SB 40-82: LB 31-39 (Seems Techable) / 83-90
43. Toon Link: SB 45-71, LB 38-44 / 72-78
44. Wolf: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 52-78
45. Villager: SB 35-66, LB 29-34 (Seems Techable) / 67-74
46. Mega Man: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 35-48 (CAREFUL Techable through entire range) / 58-69 (Still may be techable)
47. Wii Fit Trainer: SB 37-73, LB 30-36 / 74-80
48. Rosalina & Luma: SB 32-68, LB 27-31 / 69-76
49. Little Mac: SB 69-71, LB 63-68 / 72-79
50. Greninja: SB 44-68, LB 41-43 / 69-73
MII FIGHTER
51. Mii Brawler: SB 58-69, LB 52-57 / 70-79
52. Mii Swordfighter: SB 49-76, LB 42-48 / 77-82
53. Mii Gunner: SB 48-76, LB 41-47 / 77-83
54. Palutena: SB 44-67, LB 35-43 (Seems Techable) / 68-74
55. Pac Man: SB 42-68, LB 35-41 (Techable) / 69-79
56. Robin: SB 51-79, LB 43-40 (Seems Techable) / 80-86
57. Shulk: SB 58-70, LB 47-57 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 71-80
58. Bowser Jr: SB 48-77, LB ~32-47 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 78-86
59. Duck Hunt: SB 39-70, LB 28-38 (Techable) / 71-79
60. Ryu: SB 48-77, LB 43-47 (Techable) / 78-83
60e. Ken: See Ryu
61. Cloud: SB IS NOT TRUE, LB 59-76 (DThrow sends cloud at an extremely long and low trajectory for some reason)
62. Corrin: SB 57-72, LB 48-56 / 73-80
63. Bayonetta: SB 59-64, LB 48-58 / 65-73
64. Inkling: SB 42-74, LB 41 / 75-84
65: Ridley: SB 57-80, LB 32-56 (Seems Techable early in the range) / 81-90
66. Simon: SB 67-69, LB 61-66 / 70-82
66e. Richter: SB 68-69, LB 61-67 / 70-85
67. King K. Rool: SB 59-98, LB 37-58 (Techable early in range) / 99-107 (Inconsistently hits at 108)
68. Isabelle: SB 39-67, LB 33-38 (Probably Techable) / 68-76
69. Inceneroar: SB 57-82, LB 83-88
70. Piranha Plant: Only can hit with DI in above ~50%. Not worth going for imo
71. Joker: SB 42-72, LB 40-41 / 73-78
72 Hero: SB 60-77, LB Untrue 43-56, LB 57-59 / 78-83
73. Banjo & Kazooie: SB 72-79, LB 59-71, 80-86 ****
74. Terry: SB 49-75, LB 44-48 / 76-80
75. Byleth: SB 52-75, LB 43-51 / 76-80
76. Min Min: SB 58-73 (Untrue starting at 44), LB 37-43 (Untrue) / 74-85
77. Steve: SB 54-66 (Untrue starting at 35), LB 28-34 (Untrue) / 67-74
78. Sephiroth: Only possible with DI in, making it unreliable. &&
79. Pyra: SB 56-70, LB 71-87
79 Mythra: Only possible with extreme DI in from ~54 to ~85. Likelihood of this happening? Practically Zero.
80. Kazuya: SB 61-82 (Untrue starting at 57), LB 83-89 (Untrue from 53-56)
81. Sora: SB 52-70 (Untrue starting at 46), LB 71-78 (Untrue from 39-45) *****
Observations:
Most of the cast is highly susceptible to this combo. Most have an effective damage range of nearly 50% which makes it a very versatile and reliable way of either racking damage or ending stocks early with an offstage suicide once it's mastered. Knowing the matchup is crucial in gauging when and how to apply it however, and some characters that are susceptible to the true combo in the training room are not likely to get hit at early percentages in an actual fight. Keep that in mind.
The general trend with this move is that it has a narrow window in early percentages where it will hit and you will get the LB, a very wide window where you will get the SB, and a final somewhat narrow window where the LB comes back online again. I do not recommend going for the early LB window ever. On most of the cast it is somewhere between 33-43% and at that range Dthrow - dash attack is a thing, or Uthrow into juggles is a thing. This should exclusively be utilized above 55% as a general rule IMHO.
Character Specific Notes:
*Link is really freakin weird. The combo seemed to come online as early as 31-39%, but I think this is a false true combo because his angle is so shallow off the dthrow that anyone should be able to tech it.
**DO NOT EVEN TRY THIS AGAINST PICHU. The rat is too small to hit with this setup. I must have tried for 20 minutes to no avail.
*** Diddy Kong also interacts with dthrow in very weird ways below 50% or so. His angle is extremely shallow, yet the combo counter was indicating true combos from 34-48. Do not trust the training room alone.
**** I cannot recommend attempting this against Banjo. He flies really 'flat' off of dthrow and will be able to escape it with even slight DI away or down and away. He has a less predictable trajectory than any other heavyweight in my experience testing this out.
&& Sephiroth cannot be hit reliably with D-throw to flash, BUT he is susceptible to FF Fair to Flash. The upper limit for it is around 67% based on my testing. Lower limit is around 45%.
***** Sora has an awful weight for wolf to reliably combo. Still, he may have the right level of "floatiness" for this to be guaranteed regardless of DI at some point in the SB true combo range, akin to Peach not being able top avoid it at certain ranges.
In closing, I hope this helps anyone who is interested. Please put this information to the test on your own because I am not a pro and I may have made mistakes along the way. The more people testing this out and having fun with Wolf the better. See you all back in Smash.
-Qualudes
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