Dr. Mario Moveset Analysis

[Marthmario]

Doc here has been the subject of many debates, but the thing is Doc fits Sakurai's character requirements. Doc was probably an alt for Mario and Sakurai just decided to add him back in, probably like Lucina. I hope people could realize this now and not question his inclusion.

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But I know they still well.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Hey, he has the tornado! Look now as everyone being competitive selects him instead of the plumber.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Hey, he has the tornado! Look now as everyone being competitive selects him instead of the plumber.

Mario in different clothes is more unique from his source than . I'm still laughing/crying about that.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Mario in different clothes is more unique from his source than . I'm still laughing/crying about that.

The irony of this can also be said about Dark Pit.

 

[BLTspirit]

I love FLUDD!!!

Said no one ever....

Definitely maining the Dr.

 

[Cyberguy64]

Fludd has value for driving people away from the edge. I've had him used effectively against me.

I'm still trying to figure out why they couldn't put these clones in the same character slot as their base and let you access them that way, instead of them being the roster clutter they are now.

Also, PILLS FINALE!? REALLY, SAKURAI!?!?

 

[ask_thedoctor]

Anyone have a link to his final smash?

 

[TTTTTsd]

Doc is in to help jaded Mario mains who have wanted this version of their character for a long time.

However, I feel like this time they're really going to emphasize raw power. His Dair looks insane with the KB(KO'd REALLY easily at 90% against Hanayama on his stream.) I want them to push this so he feels and plays significantly different, despite the shared animations.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Why? Because pills, that's it.

Nah, as said above, I'm pretty sure it's the same scenario as Lucina. Shame corner FTW

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm still trying to figure out why they couldn't put these clones in the same character slot as their base and let you access them that way, instead of them being the roster clutter they are now.

Because Sakurai didn't want to mess up battle records.

 

[Cyberguy64]

Because Sakurai didn't want to mess up battle records.

You can already mix and match moves now. Having a particular costume over a particular moveset doesn't seem very messy uppy to me. Especially since we've got reports of Ness with PK Freeze.

 

[Curious Villager]

You can already mix and match moves now. Having a particular costume over a particular moveset doesn't seem very messy uppy to me. Especially since we've got reports of Ness with PK Freeze.

Well that's his reasoning when describing Lucina, probably also partly why he doesn't allow custom moves for online play with randoms. I'm not even sure if battles with custom moves will even count in terms of your battle records. Guess I should look a bit more into that.

 

[Cyberguy64]

Well that's his reasoning when describing Lucina, probably also partly why he doesn't allow custom moves for online play with randoms. I'm not even sure if battles with custom moves will even count in terms of your battle records. Guess I should look a bit more into that.

Either way, it's stupid and annoying and shows ridiculous bias on Sakurai's part.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm not sure what real difference it would make whether or not these clones share a spot with their parent character or not. Extra time was still spend on them eitherway. But oh well, guess that's just my opinion.

 

[Folt]

You can already mix and match moves now. Having a particular costume over a particular moveset doesn't seem very messy uppy to me. Especially since we've got reports of Ness with PK Freeze.

Dr. Mario and Mario have different dairs and Down Specials in SSB4, which makes the Doc closer to old!Mario's moveset than new!Mario's. That alone is grounds for separating.

Besides that, I don't think Dr. Mario was considered as an alt. Rather, I think he was probably going to get in as a clone from the very beginning. I'd wager that at no point does Sakurai consider him as an alt.

 

[Curious Villager]

Dr. Mario and Mario have different dairs and Down Specials in SSB4, which makes the Doc closer to old!Mario's moveset than new!Mario's. That alone is grounds for separating.

Oh yeah, that too. Doc has a different D-air and side Smash, which you can't customize. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Cyberguy64]

Dr. Mario and Mario have different dairs and Down Specials in SSB4, which makes the Doc closer to old!Mario's moveset than new!Mario's. That alone is grounds for separating.

Besides that, I don't think Dr. Mario was considered as an alt. Rather, I think he was probably going to get in as a clone from the very beginning. I'd wager that at no point does Sakurai consider him as an alt.

I repeat, alternate B moves are a thing now. Set some formerly clone moves in the movelist aside for tourney play, make the good doctor a Mario costume, and bam!

There's really no reason for them to have their own slots now that this is a possibility.

 

[n88]

If you're okay with the extra development time to come up with the moves and the model, I'm not sure why you're upset about him getting his own spot on the character selection screen. After that, it would be practically no work to generate the few little bits of fluff (Icon, trophy, classic clear screen, so on) that would let him stand on his own.

 

[dezeray112]

I'm more interested to see what Sakurai will say about his reasons for bringing Dr. Mario back.

 

[Folt]

I repeat, alternate B moves are a thing now. Set some formerly clone moves in the movelist aside for tourney play, make the good doctor a Mario costume, and bam!

There's really no reason for them to have their own slots now that this is a possibility.

"Alternate" B moves only changes the properties of the move: The function generally remains the same, so a projectile attack is a projectile attack and a defense move remains a defense move. They don't radically change how the move works, and even if it did, there's still a matter of different default properties.

The only ones who don't follow this pattern are Palutena and the Miis: Palutena is basically to fit in all the magical powers, while the Miis are your create-a-character option so it makes sense for their moves to be radically different from each other.

 

[Foosedogg]

I avoided Mario in Brawl due to FLUDD, and I picked him up (ONLY WITH HIS DOC SKINS) in PM due to the Melee moves. Looking forward to using the Doc in HD and 3D!

 

[n88]

Yeah, I think everybody preferred Doc even when Mario didn't have FLUDD. Getting around that is just a neat bonus.

 

[Morbi]

Indeed. I feel the same exact way, I cannot play Mario unless he is impersonating a doctor. Naturally, I skipped him in Brawl because of this. I am glad that he is back.

 

[Foosedogg]

Same thing with Dark Pit. Upperdash Arm seems too punishable, so HIYAYAYA!!!!!!! being present helps me out with this problem.

 

[PlasmWraith]

I love seeing my my Melee main back, and his differences between him and No-Medical-Training Mario make him more than a complete clone. My only gripe with the Doc is his Final Smash, which, while looking nice aesthetically, is disappointing. Otherwise, he's a good alternative to Mario

 

[nuclearneo577]

I played as Mario a decent amount in Brawl, but I found FLUDD to be useless 99% of the time. Now I can main Mario again, forget Mewtwo.

 

[Foosedogg]

I love seeing my my Melee main back

Me too. Roy in the mains section on my profile is just because I use him in PM but use Marth more in said game.

 

[Folt]

Dr. Mario always had the kind of something that Mario lacked. As thus, I am happy that he'll be returning.

 

[PikaSamus]

I didn't really want Dr. Mario back, but now that he's in, I'm happy about it! I didn't use Mario in Brawl due to the FLUDD (which should have done damage, since it did so in Sunshine), but the Mario/Doctor Tornado is 99.99% better than the FLUDD. The down aerial Mario Tornado was terrible.

 

[PikaSamus]

Discuss Dr. Mario's custom moves.

 

[Morbi]

Honestly, I expect the giant pill. I do not doubt the existence of it after seeing the good doctor's Final Smash.

 

[RedFly]

This is literally the worst thing ever.
There was potential here i'm telling you.

Pills drop down a Tetris style and crush everybody.
Viruses appear on screen and put effects on people.
Mega Mushroom.

Seriously, They didn't even give it an electric effect.

 

[Krynxe]

- Final Smash is like Mario's, but themed to Dr. Mario
- Down-air is like Melee (drill)
- Down-b is like Melee (tornado)

 

[TTTTTsd]

Admittedly his FS is a bit disappointing but I admire the return of the Tornado and the ability to play as a Mario that I wanted since FLUDD came around and hurt my cosmic bond with him.

(for the record I think the pill effect is really cool though)

 

[Dragoomba]

Anyone have a link to his final smash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvj9eWNuJkE

 

[Spinach Ops™]

So happy . Doctor Mario is love , Doctor Mario is life .

 

[Blackrider213]

They changed the properties of his Up B. Seems more like Luigi's when it's grounded.

 

[TTTTTsd]

I think that was just him angling it cause I saw it go a bit further later in that stream. Dunno though.

 

[Unicorn]

I can't play as Mario. I just can't. I don't like Mario games that much. The plumber hat just looks really dumb to me. But Doctor Mario gives me a work around with his beautiful white coat. It's kinda silly to like a spin off character more than the original but I do. Sorry Nintendo. Thank You Sakurai.

 

[MechaWave]

I preferred Dr. Mario to Mario in Melee, and I avoided Mario in Brawl because he was bad in general, and lacked the Tornado. Although Mario is much better in Smash 4, yet again, Doc seems better and retains his good projectile (Megavitamins) and the Dr. Tornado.