E-Canceling?

[xDarkElement]

I know brawl has only been out for a few months, but has anyone gotten a E-Cancel by accident? Its where you cancel the edge grab. For example i firefox onto the edge of smashville, but for somereason it doesnt hit the edge, and i can immediately firefox again with no lag at all. If it can be done, there should be a way to purposely do it. Anyone else up for the challenge to find out how to E-Cancel? Ill start testing a few things in the next few days.

 

[Andrew Ott]

Not always, it can either be random like tripping or it can be extremely hard to do, either one would make it difficult to do consistantly.

Why is it now called "E-cancelling"? >.>;

 

[xDarkElement]

Its called Edge-Canceling, and no its not random tripping, you cant firefox right after a trip

 

[heroboy]

I'm not sure what you mean. If you don't grab the edge, how can you firefox again?

 

[Aaryk]

vid please, this definition is sketchy.

 

[NoVaLombardia]

haven't i already seen a thread on this?

 

[Nintendo_lord]

haven't i already seen a thread on this?

I have, and I don't think it's called edge-cancelling.

 

[xDarkElement]

Can anyone post the vid? it was somehere here but i cant find it -__-

 

[Jeepy Sol]

Yeah, I posted this in a Lucario thread a while ago. Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfieID18bY

 

[R3v3nant]

I remember I saw this in this one youtube video I saw where Marth dolphin slashed twice in a row on battlefield. I'll try to find it again.

 

[MyRevenge.]

There were questions about this in the falco thread as well, just with the phantasm move...
It's happened to me a couple of times... but I thought it was just because of wi-fi...

 

[ShadowLink84]

It looks like he just barely touches the upper part of the edge.

 

[goodoldganon]

Wolf can do this too, might be space animal specific. Let me see if I can find the video.

 

[VietGeek]

No, Marth can do it too. Thing is, it's so hard to do constantly it gets annoying since you're vulnerable at the time it's edge-canceled, and your opponent can retaliate accordingly. It happens when you try to sweetspot a ledge and end up going slightly above and stay in "free fall" at the ledge instead of onto the ground or back to the ledge.

Sigh, this game has so many random glitches.

 

[Coselm]

Yeah this one time my friend was using marth and he did a B-up, went past the ledge, and imediately did another B-up. It basically just looked like 2 B-ups with no pause whatsoever between them.

 

[Tyr_03]

Well I haven't done any edge cancelling or whatever but I've got a good idea of what's causing all of the nonsense around edges. Slightly above any edge that you can grab on to there is a secondary invisible ledge that has very strange effects on different characters. With Ness and Lucas if you hit the secondary edge with PKT2 on the right side of some stages you can reflect it, keeping the hitboxes and just sending him in weird directions. It also can cause PKT2 to go straight through platforms you can go through the bottom of (like on delfino) and completely go through the sweetspot on the left side of regular stages. The secondary edge juts out from the stage just slightly. I don't know exactly how it's causing this edge canceling thing but I'm almost positive its the same thing causing it as the weird PK Thunder behaviour.

 

[Taymond]

It's most likely edge-cancelling, as shown in Jeepy Sol's video.

It's been known for a while that the spacies could edge-cancel their Side+B's and that Lucario could edge-cancel his Up+B. I was not aware the spacies could edge-cancel their Up+B personally, but it may also have been common knowledge. I also did not realize Marth could.

In any event, this is almost certainly what is occurring. You're edge-canceling your Up+B, which cancels all lag, and then doing another Up+B in that space. Edge-canceling is a handy quirk, and the ability to perform it on command would be a great skill. I haven't made any attempt to try it too much myself, but I imagine it's not particularly easy to do it consistently. There are a lot of options out of an edge cancel. Another Up+B is one, but the fact is, an edge cancel is usually going to take your opponent by surprise, so there's a wealth of possibilities you can perform on a stunned opponent from here.

If you can pull it off consistently, experiment with different aerials and others specials and really work your opponents failure-to-predict to the fullest potential.

 

[Dojo]

Yes I have done this in the past a few times and left me in awe for a moment. Since others are now noticing I'll try to help out.

Ok, so I've been at this for about 45 minutes now with my MK's up-B on Final Destination. I've gotten it about 20-25 times approx. It seems to be a spacing thing from my observations. I'm not pressing any other buttons or moving my control stick through the animation after I activate it, so I really don't think that's the case.

I'll start recording and analyze anymore that I can. Maybe I can get up on youtube soon. Ill have more later. Peace.

 

[0RLY]

I've done it once or twice with Samus before. I'm pretty sure it just depends on timing, since I really don't press anything else other than R to ledge tech (as a habit from melee), after I B-up.

 

[Dogysamich]

interesting. >.> im gunna mess around with this and see if i can find anything

 

[thesage]

U press down when ur supposed to grab the edge.

Edit: I heard this. Haven't tested it out yet.

 

[Dojo]

Not the case. Well not with mk at least.
At some points I got it consistently to a point, and others I was at a drought.
If it is completely about spacing (which is what it seems) I'm not sure how big of an effect this'll have on the majority of the smash community.

It does seem very interesting though. A couple of facts I noticed were:
There isn't a single lag frame present. I pulled off my 2nd upb so fast after it, I actually missed the startup because i blinked. xD
All jumps minus one for which it takes to jump off the ledge are restored. (ie. Metaknight gets 5 of his 6 jumps back. Pit gets 3 of his 4. etc.)

Very interesting "glitch" if you will. I hope somebody else finds more to this. I'll be keeping an eye here.
=]

 

[crosser43]

i dont see how this can be "useful"

 

[Firus]

Intriguing--if this can be put to good use, and can be used consistently, it will become a great part of playing, very useful.

Unfortunately, after some testing, I still have not been able to pull it off, trying with Lucario (since the only video I've seen is of him, I figure that will be the easiest one to try to replicate). I'll keep trying though, and I'll try with some other characters as well. If you guys have any tips for me on what you're doing when you get it (even if not consistently), I'd really appreciate it.

 

[Jeepy Sol]

Intriguing--if this can be put to good use, and can be used consistently, it will become a great part of playing, very useful.

Unfortunately, after some testing, I still have not been able to pull it off, trying with Lucario (since the only video I've seen is of him, I figure that will be the easiest one to try to replicate). I'll keep trying though, and I'll try with some other characters as well. If you guys have any tips for me on what you're doing when you get it (even if not consistently), I'd really appreciate it.

Yeah, it's really hard to do consistantly. I can do it about 2/5 times.

What you got to do is aim slightly above the edge. Start out by hanging from the ledge and jumping up and doing it.

 

[Firus]

Yeah, it's really hard to do consistantly. I can do it about 2/5 times.

What you got to do is aim slightly above the edge. Start out by hanging from the ledge and jumping up and doing it.

Thanks for the tips, I'll try that.

 

[Taymond]

U press down when ur supposed to grab the edge.

Edit: I heard this. Haven't tested it out yet.

I think you're talking about something else. Holding down as you pass the edge will stop you from auto-sweetspotting, so you can do your Up+B past the stage if you want. With this edge-cancelling thing, you return to a standing/free fall position if you hit the correct spot, so you're free to act again. With the hold-down thing, you don't get to do another move, you just don't autosweetspot.

 

[Dojo Sam]

Well, I just did this three times in a row with Lucario, but I definitely can't get it down consistently yet. It pretty much looks like this is just going to take a lot of practice. You have to aim basically at the very tip of the ledge, and then you have to barely nick the ledge just enough so you don't actually land on the stage. It's like Lucario's ankles just barely skim and/or hit the tip of the ledge, but it looks like the momentum from his up-B pushes him over. (I haven't tried this with Marth, so it's very possible this "momentum" idea is bunk.)

So, the good news... it looks like this is entirely possible to replicate consistently. The bad news... it's freakin' hard to get it down.

 

[spinseffingcool]

I'm not new, but I'm no pro I can see how this can be used... cant do it yet... but would really like to see how this is taken advantage of.

 

[xDarkElement]

I got a replay of it down, ill try to post it tommorow with fox.