SmashBroski
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I'm standing strong on my stance for Mewtwo, so I'm with you.
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Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]
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Hydde
Smash Lord
Leaving Mewtwo out would be a sin.
I think he can be made different enought to greninja and lucario if sak really wanted
I think he can be made different enought to greninja and lucario if sak really wanted
Xzsmmc
Smash Champion
That's one reason why I kinda want a new director for the next game. Cutting Luigified characters for clones, ignoring the first ten years of Wario's history, giving the middle finger salute to the three most wanted characters, blatant Kid Icarus favoritism, no new DK or Metroid stages for the 3DS version, and insulting Ganondorf's character by keeping him a clone are all bad decisions.
Tyrannotaur
Smash Ace
I'm pretty sure he is in too. I just lurk more than I post. Seriously, why bring Dr. Mario back from Melee and not Mewtwo? I mean I can see Sakurai doing that (and that's terrible), but I hope he doesn't. Mewtwo must recover and make it into Smash 4. It is his destiny. Didn't Mewtwo have a ridiculous amount of timed needed to unlock him in Melee? Very possible the guy who has the game just didn't play enough.
I can't wait until people start getting the game early. Then we should know either way in a couple of days after.
Jade_Rock55
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Unlock conditions for Ridleyso no one can leak him
lay 1,000,000 matches Mewtwolay for 1000 hours
This way no leaker could unlock them the games with a download all characters code in the manual
lay 1,000,000 matches Mewtwolay for 1000 hoursThis way no leaker could unlock them the games with a download all characters code in the manual
LIQUID12A
Smash Modder
It seems I missed out on quite a discussion.
Get me up to @
ミスティック Speed
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get it
Seriously what did I miss.
Get me up to @
ミスティック Speed
.get it
Seriously what did I miss.
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YoshiplayerX
Smash Apprentice
No, Dr Mario doesnt steal time for including Mewtwo. He is a clone of Mario, it takes less time than including a character with a new model, moveset hitboxes...
But i still hope Mewtwu is returning
He is a great character. I dont know why they cut him in Brawl.
But i still hope Mewtwu is returning
He is a great character. I dont know why they cut him in Brawl.
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Smashoperatingbuddy123
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Thats fake
But im curious too isn't mewtwo in speculation of both leaks ninka and the photos?
YoshiplayerX
Smash Apprentice
But the Leaker who leaked the roster said that Mewtwo will be in, right?
Wise Multishine
Luminary
Aw, man. I missed the 200th page. Oh well.
Anything deconfirming Mewtwo yet? No? Didn't think so.
Anything deconfirming Mewtwo yet? No? Didn't think so.
Gnarleysquid
Smash Apprentice
Here's my take on the leak as a writer that's been covering them for Game Rant:
Any claims that are made without video or photographic evidence can't be trusted. There are a lot of people who are claiming that they have insider knowledge, but the truth of the matter is that they don't – they just want some attention.
What's more likely is that a Nintendo employee got a hold of the ESRB footage and decided to send it to a friend. Whether this individual then proceeded to pass it to others or not (which they probably did) is what resulted in the leak. None of these individuals have a copy of the game because Nintendo would NEVER allow it out of their headquarters for obvious reasons. During E3 (off the top of my head I'm unsure if it was stated during a Treehouse presentation or the roundtable discussion, the latter of which I attended), the employees testing Super Smash Bros. at Nintendo's HQ in Redmond, Washington said that they had to keep employees from seeing that Pac-Man was in the game.
They literally kept unannounced characters a secret to Treehouse staff that weren't working on the project; that's how secretive the company has been with the roster. There isn't a former employee running around with a copy, all of these leaks are coming from pre-recorded footage of the game that was created with the sole intention of being sent to the ESRB for rating purposes.
That said, I don't believe the roster is final, I don't believe Sakurai would let Yoshi separate the Mario characters and I don't believe he'd allow for the clones to sit in their own group. This is, of course, just my opinion as someone that's been following the series since its release. The locked All-Stars mode appears to confirm this theory, but it's entirely possible that we've seen the final roster.
I'm hopeful for Mewtwo, as I am for a number of other characters, but gamers should not be buying into any text rumors. We'll find out what Sakurai has planned for fans soon enough, but convincing yourself of a character's inclusion without concrete evidence is setting yourself up for disappointment. Sit back and enjoy the ride, I don't believe it's over yet.
Any claims that are made without video or photographic evidence can't be trusted. There are a lot of people who are claiming that they have insider knowledge, but the truth of the matter is that they don't – they just want some attention.
What's more likely is that a Nintendo employee got a hold of the ESRB footage and decided to send it to a friend. Whether this individual then proceeded to pass it to others or not (which they probably did) is what resulted in the leak. None of these individuals have a copy of the game because Nintendo would NEVER allow it out of their headquarters for obvious reasons. During E3 (off the top of my head I'm unsure if it was stated during a Treehouse presentation or the roundtable discussion, the latter of which I attended), the employees testing Super Smash Bros. at Nintendo's HQ in Redmond, Washington said that they had to keep employees from seeing that Pac-Man was in the game.
They literally kept unannounced characters a secret to Treehouse staff that weren't working on the project; that's how secretive the company has been with the roster. There isn't a former employee running around with a copy, all of these leaks are coming from pre-recorded footage of the game that was created with the sole intention of being sent to the ESRB for rating purposes.
That said, I don't believe the roster is final, I don't believe Sakurai would let Yoshi separate the Mario characters and I don't believe he'd allow for the clones to sit in their own group. This is, of course, just my opinion as someone that's been following the series since its release. The locked All-Stars mode appears to confirm this theory, but it's entirely possible that we've seen the final roster.
I'm hopeful for Mewtwo, as I am for a number of other characters, but gamers should not be buying into any text rumors. We'll find out what Sakurai has planned for fans soon enough, but convincing yourself of a character's inclusion without concrete evidence is setting yourself up for disappointment. Sit back and enjoy the ride, I don't believe it's over yet.
LordShade67
Smash Ace
So basically, Pics/Footage or it didn't happen. That's pretty much how I've felt about all this, actually.
Supersmashbrothers.
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I just regained all hope in Mewtwo.
I guess they didn't show off the full roster.
I believed that Mewtwo still get chances to be in since the leaked roster looks very odd (clones same places, yoshi between Mario characters, etc.)
Hydde
Smash Lord
The position of the clones is indeed bothering. Why the racism with them?. Lucina should be with marth , the same with dark pit.
They are tossed in the bottom like if their clonery status make them less of a character. thats plain wrong and i doubt sakurai would let that stay like it is in the picture.
I think the picture is real.... but the position of the characters is in a beta or alfa mode.
They are tossed in the bottom like if their clonery status make them less of a character. thats plain wrong and i doubt sakurai would let that stay like it is in the picture.
I think the picture is real.... but the position of the characters is in a beta or alfa mode.
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
Basically people are starting to think the roster we saw is all we'll get...they're completely ignoring the obvious truth from the Nikata leak that predicted quite a few things that ended up being true with the recent leak.It seems I missed out on quite a discussion.
Get me up to @
get it
Seriously what did I miss.
Mewtwo was included in the prediction.
Mewtwo is in the game.
There's not much more I can say.
MagnesD3
Smash Master
Im planning on starting a crusade for Mewtwos inclusion as Dlc if he is ignored this time (currently trying to start one for wolf) would any of you all be in to help? (I know its early but I wont start till we know for sure he is gone.)
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
....look, he's not gone.....Anyways, I'm not even going to bother trying with Sakurai any more if he does end up neglecting Mewtwo for a second time. I trust the guy's judgement, but teasing and then not delivering will quickly end all trust from me.
Sorry...can't help you here.
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MagnesD3
Smash Master
Well lets just say "hypothetically" he is gone, would you try to include him via DLC then?
Anyways, I'm not even going to bother trying with Sakurai any more if he does end up neglecting Mewtwo for a second time. I trust the guy's judgement, but teasing and then not delivering will quickly end all trust from me.
Sorry...can't help you here.
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ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
If he's not on the roster, he isn't going to be. Period.
There's no point in trying from that point onwards...
MagnesD3
Smash Master
Ok I see where you stand, thats all I was wondering.
Supersmashbrothers.
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Exactly. Not to mention that any DLC ( If there are any ) are already done by now and just getting a little debugging..
MewtwoX825
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The problem is why even bother adding clones in the first place. To balance roster space. if u cant complete everyone before the release then they shoud be utilized for DLC. A lot of people would be against this (cause idiots like Capcom tend to have complete characters on disc) but it can be done in a smart efficient way and heres how:
Its going to cost a lot of time an money to develope full characters with original moves. The PM team took 700 hours to make Mewtwo from scratch with what they had, I think Sakurai can do better than that. Point is they should invest the money for incomplete characters and pay off the doe by selling them as Dlc, that way people are paying to get requested characters rather than delaying the game.
With that said im confident that the leaked game info we saw was most likley an incomplete game and the missing characters where not finished and there for where not programmed in that build to be used.
Its going to cost a lot of time an money to develope full characters with original moves. The PM team took 700 hours to make Mewtwo from scratch with what they had, I think Sakurai can do better than that. Point is they should invest the money for incomplete characters and pay off the doe by selling them as Dlc, that way people are paying to get requested characters rather than delaying the game.
With that said im confident that the leaked game info we saw was most likley an incomplete game and the missing characters where not finished and there for where not programmed in that build to be used.
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This is another misconception. Never in the actual Ninka leak itself is Mewtwo mentioned. There was another "leaker" who gave out somewhat similar info at the same time (mentioning Doc, Dark Pit and DHD); people always tie that separate leak into Ninka's for whatever reason.
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
...regardless...
That same person predicted the roster before the leak. It doesn't matter if it was a different leaker, the other guy was still right about Dr. Mario and Dark Pit.
Why shouldn't we just believe in both people? They seem to BOTH know what's going on.
Not to mention....they didn't tease about the leaks. They were straight and forthcoming with the knowledge they had.
(and if I'm not mistaking, they also debunked the rumour of DLC, claiming that that particular part of the rumour was not true)
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WarpStarSplash
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I don't think Mewtwo is in the clear YET. Sakurai is know to do the opposite of what people think he'll do.
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
So explain why Sonic got into Brawl please.
Sakuirai may mix things up, but he also knows what his fans want. And Mewtwo, is just that.
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woopyfrood
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That's not really a fair comparison. Mewtwo may be the top dog right now, but that's only because Sonic and Mega Man are already in. Sakurai has already thrown in an obligatory "for the fans" character.
Dragoncharystary
Smash Lord
I doubt this leak is rule but it actually got some things surprisingly right. It also got some things horribly wrong though. Regardless here it is: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=97190399&postcount=7815
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
There are far too many things wrong here to consider it a reliable source.
CaptainAmerica
Smash Master
That can't be true. They've got points there that have been confirmed outright false like the Bowser Jr. stuff. As much as I'd like to pick-and-choose for some of these to be true (K.Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo), it's not.
LIQUID12A
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LordShade67
Smash Ace
I remember this "leak". It was BEFORE Greninja was revealed, XD.
Road Death Wheel
Smash Champion
Whats with this stupid clone row theory going around. and why is ganondorf, toon link, and falco not with them.
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ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
Because they're pseudo clones and not complete clones.
Road Death Wheel
Smash Champion
What do you mean cause all of toon links attacks are like that of links with minor differences.
Like say Dr mario is with mario or lucina is with marth.
ミスティック Speed
Not a Pawn
Not really.
Link uses kicks and different types of sword swings, plus, they're different in height, weight and speed.
Pseudo clone. Same applies to Gannondorf and Falco...in Brawl, that is. They WERE full clones in Melee.
Dragoncharystary
Smash Lord
Should be real and not rule there, so sorry 'bout that. It does have tons of things wrong but it did get some things right,
Road Death Wheel
Smash Champion
Dr mario was slower and more powerful and had altered specials same as toon link.
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