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[Noodlehead]

there is a new one

 

[mlorenzo]

Cool. thanks noodlehead for the info. This will help me time better my attacks and sidesteps. ^_^

 

[PillowPants]

Is his jab that slow? it seems faster to me....

 

[_Tiamat_]

Man there gotta be something wrong here... or maybe something I don't understand...

Ftilt faster than jab? And jab only 1 frame faster than Fsmash to hit? Hm...

 

[Nidtendofreak]

The Jab is defiantly wrong. It doesn't hit on frame 17. >_> That would be about as fast as Ike's ftilt.

 

[Mit]

Yeah, I practically use jab as a replacement for spot dodging, it's definitely way faster than that.

 

[Zeallyx]

Jabs hitbox starts at the third frame (or something like that). Squirtles jab is faster than falcons jab (squirtles jab hits on the first frame) but falcons jab is faster than ALOT of other moves in this game.

And Ftilt is not faster than jab..like pointed out by a poster/posters before me.

And jab beeing only one frame faster than Fsmash..that is very unlikely

and also, falcon dive is not faster than falcons jab. That would make jab>falcon dive a true combo, as jab>jab is a true combo.

And 12 frames of vulnerability after a roll..hmm interesting..or incorrect. I think this is may be correct though. This proves (if correct) that rolling is, indeed, very punishable.

also, a jab is faster to hit than a grab. (wich isnt shown on your list.)

and Utilt isnt just as fast as falcons jab..falcons jab is falcons fastest move.

Also, you forgot Dtilt, reverse falcon punch and falcons multi hit jabs (falcons fourth jab.)

and Fair isnt faster than falcons jab..as, again, falcons jab is falcons fastest move.

alos, Uairs hitbox activates on frame 6 0.0, this move comes the closest to 'beeing as fast as falcons jab' and you imply it is 11 frames faster.
Again, as falcons jab is falcons fastest move, this seems to be incorrect.

Same with Dair. Falcons jab is faster than his Dair, so falcons Dair cannot be 3 frames faster.

 

[Noodlehead]

Jabs hitbox starts at the third frame (or something like that). Squirtles jab is faster than falcons jab (squirtles jab hits on the first frame) but falcons jab is faster than ALOT of other moves in this game.

And Ftilt is not faster than jab..like pointed out by a poster/posters before me.

And jab beeing only one frame faster than Fsmash..that is very unlikely

and also, falcon dive is not faster than falcons jab. That would make jab>falcon dive a true combo, as jab>jab is a true combo.

And 12 frames of vulnerability after a roll..hmm interesting..or incorrect. I think this is may be correct though. This proves (if correct) that rolling is, indeed, very punishable.

also, a jab is faster to hit than a grab. (wich isnt shown on your list.)

and Utilt isnt just as fast as falcons jab..falcons jab is falcons fastest move.

Also, you forgot Dtilt, reverse falcon punch and falcons multi hit jabs (falcons fourth jab.)

and Fair isnt faster than falcons jab..as, again, falcons jab is falcons fastest move.

alos, Uairs hitbox activates on frame 6 0.0, this move comes the closest to 'beeing as fast as falcons jab' and you imply it is 11 frames faster.
Again, as falcons jab is falcons fastest move, this seems to be incorrect.

Same with Dair. Falcons jab is faster than his Dair, so falcons Dair cannot be 3 frames faster.

lol you compared everything to jab, it was a simple mistake. jab hitbox activates on third frame
i know i forgot dtilt too, i'll finish that later
anyways thanks everyone for the error, if you notice anymore just tell me

 

[eRonin]

Hot **** uair and nair are fast.
But I suppose you have to get in the air first... ah well.

 

[Red-Blue]

Noodlehead, did you take hitlag into account?

This list is 90% if you haven't. D:

 

[SmashBrother2008]

Hitlag is just a variable. Wouldn't that be difficult to examine?

 

[eRonin]

Guys, I don't know if this sounds stupid or whatever (still related to frames though), but how many frames does pivoting on the spot take?

 

[t3h n00b]

He could test by pivot grab time - grab time right? And that would be cool to know.

 

[illinialex24]

Amazing job but you should find the entire hitbox length by exploiting invincibility frames.

 

[Red-Blue]

Hitlag is just a variable.

...A variable that ruins these statistics.

 

[Player-3]

...A variable that ruins these statistics.

...a variable that ruins brawl

 

[Red-Blue]

...a variable that ruins brawl

You mean Brawl got even worse?

 

[Player-3]

You mean Brawl got even worse?

i know man i didnt know it was possible either

 

[eRonin]

Hey, when it says "move ends", is that when the hitbox ends, or when the lag after the move ends?
Thanks.

 

[Noodlehead]

Hey, when it says "move ends", is that when the hitbox ends, or when the lag after the move ends?
Thanks.

when the lag after the move ends, i will clarify that when i decorate