SuSa
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I back everything Kirin said.
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samus can spam faster and can create some very sticky situations for link when it comes to gimping/spiking him.Well, Link probably has an advantage versus Samus, CF, Ganon... Xyro said that Link had the advantage in the match-up versus Samus. After seeing a few people play Jiggs, I want to say Link has the advantage against him, but I have also seen a lot of Jiggs abuse Link in platform stages. Who else might Link actually have an advantage against?
How does holding down affect whether or not you PS the ftilt? I mean frame data shows that if Bowser is frame perfect you aren't escaping the ftilt.Take note that you can Perfect Shield his Grab Release>Ftilt if you just hold down. He'll usually do Jab combo or Ftilt out of it. You will get hit by the first jab, EIDI out of the grab then DI the first jab and you'll be fine.
Firstly, I realise that some Bowsers may not smash a lot which is why I said, IF you get hit. Also you can approach and combo Bowser. It's not hard, and if you want to keep him at range then he will come to you and you will be able to pull off some combos. I said that I DON'T think this is one of Link's harder match ups. As most of Link's match ups are poor but this one isn't too bad. Which is why I said 55-45 close to 50-50.In your analysis it seems as though Bowser smashes a lot. But in reality they don't, and when they do you should definitely be punishing with shield grab as you said. Bowser's size has it down sides but I don't see Link being able to take advantage of it due to the fact that Link won't be approaching and attempting to combo. Also saying this is one of Link's harder matchups and saying that it may be 50-50 is not true. I still stick with 60-40 Bowser.
Directional Influence (DI).How does holding down affect whether or not you PS the ftilt? I mean frame data shows that if Bowser is frame perfect you aren't escaping the ftilt.
EIDI does not exist. SCOTU doesn't believe it does (or last time we talked about it together) and neither do I.Take note that you can Perfect Shield his Grab Release>Ftilt if you just hold down. He'll usually do Jab combo or Ftilt out of it. You will get hit by the first jab, EIDI out of the grab then DI the first jab and you'll be fine.
Bowser has one of the best defensive games in terms of options OoS. And you are telling me it's not hard to approach and combo him? All Bowser has to do is put up a shield and since Link is not quick, he's not going to get away with shield pressuring like MK does and his grab is slow and is just too risky in this matchup. And what you said about doing after getting hit by Bowser's smashes apply to all moves so it doesn't need to be explained and doesn't really strengthen your argument.Firstly, I realise that some Bowsers may not smash a lot which is why I said, IF you get hit. Also you can approach and combo Bowser. It's not hard, and if you want to keep him at range then he will come to you and you will be able to pull off some combos. I said that I DON'T think this is one of Link's harder match ups. As most of Link's match ups are poor but this one isn't too bad. Which is why I said 55-45 close to 50-50.
i respectfully disagree strongly =P. samus can out spam us big time. the only thing we have thats worth a crap here is bombs. you can tether through everything else. plus missle spam is faster then our spam. she is MUCH faster with her ground attacks. she can fsmash us inbetween our jab, along with dtilt of course. we get comboed to hell. the recovery issue makes it really easy for you to spike us. the range is actually pretty much even also (which is dumb cus we have a sword -_-). all we have is more killing power. this is one of the few matchups i know something about cus i face W!ll all the time. maybe you guys should do this one nexti think link has the advantage but honestly, i want ot play a pro link before i completly accept the match-up.
Once someone takes over, this thread will be closed.Someone else take over the match-up thread, I've officially staying at AiB.
-Bye guys
Ok, I'll send a message.You should ask SuSa, Ryu. I'm sure he would let you run it, just send him a message saying you're interested and maybe you guys can work something out. I'm pretty sure he's looking for someone to run one, so it shouldn't really be an issue.