Fastest edge guarding tactic in the game. (actually useful: post 112)

[FASTLIKETREE]

People often ask me, "Do you have any advice? What can I do to become better?" My response is always the same: you need better spacing. Since spacing is not always the easiest aspect of the game to practice, I want to tell you what I did to achieve good spacing.

1. Find a friend with about the same skill level.
2. Play thousands of matches using only A, c-stick, and jump. Do not use L/R at all.
3. Use all of the characters moves during the matches. Get a feel for what each one can do in every situation.


Over time one player will begin to dominate. The weaker player should then realize where and when his spacing is taken advantage of, because it is much easier to realize your mistakes and attempt to fix them when the game is not moving at the pace it does when L and R are allowed.

If you practice this way I guarantee your spacing will improve, and with it, your timing.

 

[JesusFreak]

As odd as this might sound to some people, I can guarantee you it will work. Wes here beat me in his very first tournament before he knew any advanced tactics simply because of his good spacing and timing. As hard as it is to admit, he is still capable of beating me with this simple style at times, and it's very frustrating. I recommend people of all levels from newbies to veterans (I dislike the word "pro") should try this if you want to improve your spacing, timing or just your game in general.

 

[Galt]

...When you had me grammar-checking that, I thought it was going to be part of some bigger guide-essay-Wes-is-feeling-generous thing. Oh well; I guess it just means I saw it before everyone else, just like I'm going to see Pirates 3 before everyone else, and any other movie, because I'm so much more special. And because I happen to work at a cinema, but that's really a negligible factor.

Oh, uh, everyone do what he says.

 

[Hylian]

Hmm I have never thought of anything like this. I will definitly do this though it is going to be hard not to l-cancel because my fingers do it so automatically >_>.

And wes, Did you do this with Marth or fox or both? Or just a bunch of different characters? It seems like it would be easier to play this way with marth..but would it improve your spacing for your other characters as well?

And you say use all the characters moves but you also say only use A, the c-stick, and jump. What about b moves?

 

[FASTLIKETREE]

I left out B moves because they are not nearly as important as the A attacks. The character I did this with was mostly fox.

 

[Hylian]

All right thanks a lot Wes. I have always wondered how you got so good in such a short time compared to other smashers...any other training things you do similar to this?

 

[RastaImposta]

Itd be pretty great if you didnt 4 stock us too.

 

[Xelic]

LOLLOLOZLZLZL. This is bull****. The REAL method Wes used to get so good:

Get training from Xelic, the Peach monster from an alternate world line.

Sorry, but there's no hope for any of you.

Also, I'll soon devour your pitiful quadrant of space.

 

[cHaNg-sTa]

LOLLOLOZLZLZL. This is bull****. The REAL method Wes used to get so good:

Get training from Xelic, the Peach monster from an alternate world line.

Sorry, but there's no hope for any of you.

Also, I'll soon devour your pitiful quadrant of space.

Not to mention Austin pretty much has a good player maining every single high/top tier character making easier for us to get better lol

 

[Gamepro]

No grabbing? :S

 

[Hylian]

Chang, I don't get your sig. Are you boycotting Pizza Hut or advertising it?

>_>.

 

[Jeremy Feifer]

People often ask me, "Do you have any advice? What can I do to become better?" My response is always the same: you need better spacing. Since spacing is not always the easiest aspect of the game to practice, I want to tell you what I did to achieve good spacing.

1. Find a friend with about the same skill level.
2. Play thousands of matches using only A, c-stick, and jump. Do not use L/R at all.
3. Use all of the characters moves during the matches. Get a feel for what each one can do in every situation.


Over time one player will begin to dominate. The weaker player should then realize where and when his spacing is taken advantage of, because it is much easier to realize your mistakes and attempt to fix them when the game is not moving at the pace it does when L and R are allowed.

If you practice this way I guarantee your spacing will improve, and with it, your timing.

Why in the **** didnt you say this before....you told me to switch characters... >_<, I still got love for ya FLT though...

 

[Omega_Star]

Hmm, sounds like a job for single-button mode... though I don't think that allows the c-stick, but still.

 

[Hylian]

OH yeah...are we supposed to recover?

Edit(I dont feel like making another post to respond to jeremy)

...I can't help the fact that I want to get better.

 

[Jeremy Feifer]

OH yeah...are we supposed to recover?

Lol, hylian taking the serious to max.

 

[South_Paw]

Hmm, sounds like a job for single-button mode... though I don't think that allows the c-stick, but still.

lol... doesn't allow anything but A... meaning, no up-b's, and all jumps with up :-D

 

[Mouf_From_Da_Souf]

im not doin this **** lolz im too amazing already

 

[Jake13]

This has nothing to do with the SWF, ban three points.

<3 Jordan, the soul eater.

 

[TGM]

it honestly doesnt matter how you practice. just do the spacing part like her said.

 

[RastaImposta]

Well considering that I already play 1/2 the cast...I think Im good. Ill be better if you guys come to OHSNAP3. And if South Paw stops killing himself during matches, and Vegafuse and KOSMOS stop sandbagging.

 

[Xelic]

My Bowser is amazing.

That is all.

(God, I feel like Mr. C posting stuff like that. <3 )

 

[Mouf_From_Da_Souf]

hey xelic i wanna bowser u ditto, coincidently my bowser is also amazing

 

[felix45]

I allready figured out spacing is everything. I just figured it out in ssb64 is all.

 

[artarian]

Not to mention Austin pretty much has a good player maining every single high/top tier character making easier for us to get better lol

this is the truth to the max. i gotta say that playing with people like chang, ray, wes, and jordan has gotten me much better in a very short amount of time. ive only been playing for about 8 months, and i am very satisfied with my skill level right now. im still not awesome, but i am happy at where i am so far....

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i love chang

 

[JesusFreak]

Oh, I see how it is, Zev.

 

[Galt]

Is this an "I love Austin" thread? Because I want to give a shout to ma peeps, too.

Oh, wait, I don't love you guys. Some of you in particular. Except Chang, because he bounds around so merrily when he's relating that special scene from whatever anime currently metaphorically has him by the proverbial balls. And I temporarily don't hate Jordan, because he has my stuff and I want it back whole.

 

[Hylian]

This turned from Wes giving advice to a change is awesome thread.

>_>...

Works for me.

 

[Hylian]

This turned from Wes giving advice to a chang is awesome thread.

>_>...

Works for me.

 

[RT]

So, this is basically along the lines of, "play the game like when it first came out minus all of the B moves and shielding." Sounds silly, but it could work...

 

[artarian]

i loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang

you dont even know!

 

[Xelic]

Okay, Mouf, we have a MM then. How much?

I still have a Bowser ditto MM with Jake as well.

I had one with Drew, but he forgot agreeing to it. I still made him play it.

MWUAHAHAHA.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that I love Chang?

 

[artarian]

i just wish chang would show me some love back, CUZ I KNOW HE LOVES ME TOO....right chang????

 

[Virgilijus]

That's really interesting advice. I just hope I don't pick up the habit of reverting to my non L-canceling ways.

 

[tsetse]

Austin sucks *runs*

 

[FASTLIKETREE]

I recently figured out a very powerful grabbing tactic. I want to see if/how this changes the smash community.

Introducing Tree-Grabbing!

During your run animation hit:
1. Down.
2. The same direction you are running.
3. DA dash the opposite way.
4. Grab.

This tactic allows you to grab behind you during your run animation. You can use it both offensively and defensively with incredibly results.

Make sure you do all steps as quickly as possible.

 

[bluezaft]

That is one heck of a discovery. It also hurts my fingers just thinking about it. One more technical trick I'll never be able to do.

 

[FASTLIKETREE]

Mastering this tactic allows fast characters with powerful grabs to completely dominate.

 

[Mr.C]

nice find nice find

 

[reqy]

so it only works with fast runners like falcon fox and marth?

im not even sure if im doin it right. so are you running passed your target? or just goin it before you pass them? cuz im right in front of the guy and turn around and the grab goes thru. is that how it's supposed to go?

 

[FASTLIKETREE]

The trick looks just like a pivot grab out of a dash dance but instead it is during your running animation.