FGD~ Time to get SHTL done

[Player-1]

It's a free$200 of course I'll try

 

[M@v]

TO Joe still got a pretty good fox, just sayin'

 

[C.R.Z]

you all need to step up

 

[fox67890]

Eh, I feel halberd is an ok stage. Other than early kills, it feels awkward and small to me. Maybe I just need more experience on it.

Yeah, fox mains need to step it up.

 

[Bing]

TO Joe still got a pretty good fox, just sayin'

He resorts to his Wario too often I ask him for dittos all the time, we finally played one at STYC on Saturday, got down to last stock high percent. So Im looking at this optimisticly in that I can hold me own with another solid Fox main.

 

[knuckles213]

you all need to step up

your right

Eh, I feel halberd is an ok stage. Other than early kills, it feels awkward and small to me. Maybe I just need more experience on it.

Yeah, fox mains need to step it up.

I agree, but I believe the real fighting starts when you land on the ship

 

[Pachinkosam]

you all need to step up

Is that dr.pp in my post.

 

[Jet300]

I love halberd. So much. Always felt its one of his, if not best, stages for years now, and have cp'd it a ton.

Knuckles I'm a pretty decent player already, been ranked when the pa rankings still existed, place in money quite a few times, won a couple tourneys, etc. My biggest hurdle still to tackle though is placing well at a New Jersey tournament. That region is so ****ing stacked its crazy. My best placing there was probably at APEX 2012 (Just barely missed bracket, so my technical placing was probably like 100 something out of 400). Decent, but not good either.

P.S. Its so much fun doing gimmicky **** that should never work once you realize they don't know the fox mu =P

Halberd is fox best stage because of the low ceiling. And halberd just does'nt playing like me for some reason.

 

[M@v]

He resorts to his Wario too often I ask him for dittos all the time, we finally played one at STYC on Saturday, got down to last stock high percent. So Im looking at this optimisticly in that I can hold me own with another solid Fox main.

His Mk his still his best imo. Face it in tournament and friendlies before.

 

[Conviction]

http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

 

[Bing]

His Mk his still his best imo. Face it in tournament and friendlies before.

Oh of course I mean his MK is really good, and it got him 33rd at Apex. Sounds legit to me

 

[Jet300]

Is that dr.pp in my post.

Nice sig, v3nom. BTW, does anyone in this board knows how to draw fox?

 

[Kuares]

Zeton, Disaster Master, and I could all probably draw fox.

 

[M@v]

So theres a good chance i can make sktar now. Ill know for sure in the next couple days

 

[Player-1]

$100 mm me at sktar

 

[M@v]

Almost got the front of my car smashed in by an idiot driver on the way to work. At least the adrenaline's kept me awake at work.

 

[Conviction]

Glad you're okay.

 

[Bing]

My Fox got sort of messed up at SID 7 vs a Kirby this past weekend(It was actually last stock but I still dont like how I played the MU)

I ended going like 70-30 Marth, just wasnt feeling Fox, and My Marth was doing well, got me 5th place in the amateur bracket lol

 

[knuckles213]

Alrights, I got some vids of me coming soon from the tourny last sat, I'll post them later in here for some advice.

I want against Trela in second round, I did ok against him, but I still ended up losing cause I got comboed too many times + chained grab. does any one know how to deal with lucario?

 

[crifer]

afaik, if he he hits your shield with fair = guaranteed usmash oos.

camp him, if he whiffs a fair, sh fair him for massive damage. punish the cooldown of his aerials with dash attack.

 

[fox67890]

My advice is to camp him hard. I think spacing AC Bair at CG percents is a good idea. Idk about this though.
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Sorry for my previous post in this thread. I'll post some actual stuff about Fox on Lucario. Remember that many of these things don't affect the actual character match-up more than they do play-styles.

- Lucario's fsmash has enough cool-down to dash usmash him as it ends.
- Fox does very well at close range combat compared to Lucario (nair, ac bair, grab, moving, jab, even ftilt is good here), and aura spheres don't compete very well with Fox's projectile game.
- Utilt is pretty good because you can block right after hitting him and punish if he dairs.
- Fox's fair from an angle below Lucario beats all of his aerials.
- If you're short or full hopping while Lucario whiffs a dair, there's time to uair/nair/bair him (barely, unless you use nair which isn't so barely).
- If you block a SH fair, you can roll through Lucario for free because none of his options can catch up to it from the SH.
- If he miss spaces a SH fair you can SH fair or usmash from block. An odd nair from block would hit too if he's in range although that's not the most effective you can go.
- If you block a dair and are in range, you have time to usmash/nair from block.
- Blocking is good in momentum when you can shield-grab a falling dair or sloppy air-dodge.
- Since he's kind of vulnerable in the air, you may be able to count on the opponent air-dodging to bait him. His landing aerials can be shield-grabbed or dash attacked, as can be sloppy air-dodge landings too.
- Lucario's actually in an OK position if he can cross you up with mobility or a pivot.
- If you read upb's trajectory, you can shine it. There's probably no punish if not, anyhow.
- Fox's grab range is bigger than Lucario's and he slides better from walk.
- Lucario's dash-grab is only 8 frames (very good).
- Laser, bair, and mikehaze (push him away with nair/bair and punish whiffed shield-grab) Lucario at low % when he can cg you. During a cg, don't spam jump because you'll waste your jump. I buffer shine after each throw, but the opponent should be able to bait that.
- Lucario can't do much about cross-ups, so they're good (eg. nair at his back to utilt, grab, or maybe wait).
- You can bait Lucario's fair if he's in the air, to airjump nair him and keep momentum. This is safer than using fair and risk being air-dodged out of your momentum.
- Powerblock and shine+hop are good vs spheres.
- Standing blaster hits crouching Lucario.
- If you're already performing fair, Lucario will hit himself if he tries to fair.

I can't really think of many disadvantages in this match-up. Lucario's crossups are good. He can't wait around as much as he'd like to though (he pretty much can't do it at all).

 

[knuckles213]

afaik, if he he hits your shield with fair = guaranteed usmash oos.

camp him, if he whiffs a fair, sh fair him for massive damage. punish the cooldown of his aerials with dash attack.

My advice is to camp him hard. I think spacing AC Bair at CG percents is a good idea. Idk about this though.
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thank you, I hope some of this will work on top Lucarios


you all should go to whobo, so I'm not the only fox player reppin

 

[Bing]

You guys should come to Impulse so Im not the only Fox!

 

[fox67890]

Nah, you guys should come down to--

Oh wait, I'm not going anywhere.
:\

 

[knuckles213]

You guys should come to Impulse so Im not the only Fox!

canada is quite a bit far there, I would need a passport/money/3 days off in row

Nah, you guys should come down to--

Oh wait, I'm not going anywhere.
:\

lol, even more of reason to go

 

[Bing]

canada is quite a bit far there, I would need a passport/money/3 days off in row



lol, even more of reason to go

There are others coming from Cali so excuse = invalid

 

[knuckles213]

There are others coming from Cali so excuse = invalid

I can say that the passport and the money are invalid, but 3 days from your job (it depends on what type of job you have or if you even have one).

I dont know when its happening nor the cost of travel

 

[knuckles213]

Vs Trela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cS93poe84s

Vs Sync
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GncZfyVIvVw

any advice

 

[Player-3]

camping is gay if you don't go all in play another character















unless ur playing vs pikachu

 

[Jet300]

Vs Trela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cS93poe84s

Vs Sync
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GncZfyVIvVw

any advice

Vs trela video. You were too aggressive, camp lucario and make him approach you. Vs sync again, too aggressive. Camp Meat knight, his only option is to approach you. And against oli, SHTL is your best friend. Blocks all the ****ing pikmin.

Next time fight trela or sync. Go defensive.

 

[Player-3]

no just go in harder and be better than the opponent

 

[Jet300]

no just go in harder and be better than the opponent

Go harder is going more predictable.

 

[Player-3]

Not with fox who has so many great tools to approach and cqc, his camping doesnt work very well against anyone who knows how to deal w/ it unless they are imited by character (snake kirby etc, slow ****ers)

Going in doesnt neccesarily mean rushdown all the time also, passive aggressive baiting is still going in

 

[Conviction]

Player-3 taking charge?

 

[C.R.Z]

Player-3 Talking Gass LOL

 

[Player-3]

you won't improve in this game if you camp


you'll just be a street fighter player

 

[C.R.Z]

you won't improve in this game if you camp


you'll just be a street fighter player

ima remind you you said this in a years time if your still playing this game, and if youve improved.

 

[M@v]

Not with fox who has so many great tools to approach and cqc, his camping doesnt work very well against anyone who knows how to deal w/ it unless they are imited by character (snake kirby etc, slow ****ers)

Going in doesnt neccesarily mean rushdown all the time also, passive aggressive baiting is still going in

Holy **** p3 says something intelligent for once.

 

[Conviction]

M@v, Hunter (P-1) and Joe (P-3) are two different people

 

[Player-3]

Crz ive improved a whole lot by going in, i aim to prove it at whobo


Cuz going aggro vs mk is a horrible idea and i always lose but hes banned there :D