LanceStern
Smash Lord
So they are finally done. It's very useful to know when Samus' best moves can KO an opponent because then we'll be careful to not stale the move or focus on a particular move for an opponent.
In this topic we have 3 moves that aren't used as much as Plasma Shot and Dtilt, but surprisingly kill VERY early. It's strange, we consider Dtilt Samus' best KO move and the numbers prove otherwise. I think it's because players aren't as prepared to DI to the left/right and don't consider how fast the move is.
Method of Testing
+ Done in Training Mode
+ Each character stands in the middle of the stage
+ Computer set to CONTROL (so absolutely NO DI is involved).
+ For the Utilt data, CPU was set to control, I would just jump at the center of the stage.
+ the percentages you are about to see are the absolutle LOWEST percentage the opponent was at when they were KOed at the side of the screen.
Things to consider
+ Since there was no DI involved, it may take on average +10% more to KO your opponent.
+ Testing was done on the center of the stage of FD. Most of the time you'll be hitting your opponent closer to the edge or on a stage with a lower ceiling.
+ Forward smash tilted up has significantly more knockback than a regular forward smash. A forward smash tilted UP KOs as early as bair and plasma shot just with +2% more and kills at -10% of a regular fsmash(if bair or plasma at 103%, fsmash tilted up KOs at 105%). This is AWESOME.
+ Forward smash tilted down has significantly less knockback than a regular forward smash, and does not start killing until +10% more than a regular fsmash.
+ This just means we have to find more ways to set up sweet-spotted bairs and tilt our forward smashs UP.
So here are the numbers (Please give me suggestions on how you want the data arranged For simple viewing. I also have all the moves on a spreadsheet if that makes it easier):
BAIR
Jigglypuff - 96%
Squirtle - 98%
Fox - 98%
Game & Watch - 100%
Meta Knight - 101%
Kirby - 102%
Pikachu - 102%
Falco - 103%
Shiek - 103%
Zero Suit Samus - 103%
Olimar - 105%
Zelda - 107%
Marth - 108%
Peach - 110%
Diddy Kong - 111%
Toon Link - 111%
Lucas - 111%
Pit - 112%
Ness - 112%
Ice Climbers - 112%
Sonic - 112%
Luigi - 114%
Wolf - 114%
Mario - 115%
Ivysaur - 116%
Lucario - 117%
Captain Falcon - 117%
Link - 118%
Ike - 119%
Wario - 120%
Ganondorf - 120%
R.O.B. - 120%
Yoshi - 121%
Charizard - 122%
Samus - 122%
King Dedede - 123%
Snake - 124%
Donkey Kong - 126%
Bowser - 127%
Average KO % of Bair (Sweet spotted): 112%
Forward Smash (Titled Up %)
Jigglypuff - 106% (98%)*
Squirtle - 109% (99%)*
Fox - 109% (101%)
Game & Watch - 110% (102%)*
Meta Knight - 112% (103%)*
Kirby - 113% (104%)*
Pikachu - 113% (104%)
Falco - 114% (105%)
Shiek - 114% (126%)
Zero Suit Samus - 114% (105%)
Olimar - 116% (107%)*
Zelda - 118% (109%)
Marth - 119% (110%)
Peach - 121% (112%)
Diddy Kong - 122% (113%)
Toon Link - 122% (113%)
Ice Climbers - 123% (114%)
Lucas - 123% (113%)
Pit - 124% (114%)
Ness - 124% (114%)
Sonic - 124% (114%)
Luigi - 126% (117%)
Mario - 127% (117%)
Wolf - 127% (117%)
Ivysaur - 127% (118%)
Lucario - 128% (119%)
Captain Falcon - 129% (119%)
Link - 130% (120%)
Ike - 131% (121%)
Wario - 132% (122%)
Ganondorf - 133% (123%)
Yoshi - 133% (123%)
R.O.B. - 133% (123%)
Charizard - 134% (124%)
Samus - 134% (124%)
King Dedede - 136% (126%)
Snake - 137% (126%)
Donkey Kong - 139% (128%)
Bowser - 140% (129%)
Average KO% of Fsmash: 124%
Average KO% of Fsmash (Tilted Up): 114%
Average KO% of Fsmash (Tilted Down): 135%
Utilt
Zero Suit Samus - 102%
Jigglypuff - 109%
Squirtle - 111%
Fox - 111%
Falco - 111%
Game & Watch - 113%
Meta Knight - 114%
Kirby - 115%
Pikachu - 115%
Shiek - 116%
Olimar - 118%
Zelda - 120%
Marth - 122%
Diddy Kong - 123%
Peach - 124%
Toon Link - 125%
Lucas - 125%
Ice Climbers - 126%
Pit - 126%
Ness - 126%
Sonic - 126%
Wolf - 128%
Luigi - 129%
Mario - 130%
Ivysaur - 131%
Lucario - 131%
Captain Falcon - 131%
Link - 132%
Ike - 133%
Wario - 135%
Ganondorf - 135%
Yoshi - 135%
R.O.B. - 135%
Charizard - 137%
Samus - 137%
King Dedede - 138%
Snake - 139%
Donkey Kong - 141%
Bowser - 143%
Average KO% of Utilt: 126%
Down Smash
King Dedede - 179%
Snake - 172%
Donkey Kong - 168%
Captain Falcon - 164%
Ganondorf - 161%
Ike - 161%
Bowser - 160%
Link - 158%
Wolf - 155%
Charizard - 154%
Wario - 154%
Yoshi - 152%
R.O.B. - 150%
Samus - 149%
Ivysaur - 149%
Lucario - 146%
Pit - 146%
Sonic - 146%
Mario - 144%
Luigi - 143%
Ness - 143%
Marth - 143%
Diddy Kong - 142%
Lucas - 141%
Toon Link - 140%
Falco - 139%
Ice Climbers - 137%
Olimar - 134%
Pikachu - 134%
Peach - 133%
Zero Suit Samus - 133%
Zelda - 131%
Shiek - 131%
Fox - 129%
Kirby - 128%
Meta Knight - 128%
Game & Watch - 125%
Squirtle - 120%
Jigglypuff - 116%
Average KO% of Down Smash: 145%
In this topic we have 3 moves that aren't used as much as Plasma Shot and Dtilt, but surprisingly kill VERY early. It's strange, we consider Dtilt Samus' best KO move and the numbers prove otherwise. I think it's because players aren't as prepared to DI to the left/right and don't consider how fast the move is.
Method of Testing
+ Done in Training Mode
+ Each character stands in the middle of the stage
+ Computer set to CONTROL (so absolutely NO DI is involved).
+ For the Utilt data, CPU was set to control, I would just jump at the center of the stage.
+ the percentages you are about to see are the absolutle LOWEST percentage the opponent was at when they were KOed at the side of the screen.
Things to consider
+ Since there was no DI involved, it may take on average +10% more to KO your opponent.
+ Testing was done on the center of the stage of FD. Most of the time you'll be hitting your opponent closer to the edge or on a stage with a lower ceiling.
+ Forward smash tilted up has significantly more knockback than a regular forward smash. A forward smash tilted UP KOs as early as bair and plasma shot just with +2% more and kills at -10% of a regular fsmash(if bair or plasma at 103%, fsmash tilted up KOs at 105%). This is AWESOME.
+ Forward smash tilted down has significantly less knockback than a regular forward smash, and does not start killing until +10% more than a regular fsmash.
+ This just means we have to find more ways to set up sweet-spotted bairs and tilt our forward smashs UP.
So here are the numbers (Please give me suggestions on how you want the data arranged For simple viewing. I also have all the moves on a spreadsheet if that makes it easier):
BAIR
Jigglypuff - 96%
Squirtle - 98%
Fox - 98%
Game & Watch - 100%
Meta Knight - 101%
Kirby - 102%
Pikachu - 102%
Falco - 103%
Shiek - 103%
Zero Suit Samus - 103%
Olimar - 105%
Zelda - 107%
Marth - 108%
Peach - 110%
Diddy Kong - 111%
Toon Link - 111%
Lucas - 111%
Pit - 112%
Ness - 112%
Ice Climbers - 112%
Sonic - 112%
Luigi - 114%
Wolf - 114%
Mario - 115%
Ivysaur - 116%
Lucario - 117%
Captain Falcon - 117%
Link - 118%
Ike - 119%
Wario - 120%
Ganondorf - 120%
R.O.B. - 120%
Yoshi - 121%
Charizard - 122%
Samus - 122%
King Dedede - 123%
Snake - 124%
Donkey Kong - 126%
Bowser - 127%
Average KO % of Bair (Sweet spotted): 112%
Forward Smash (Titled Up %)
Jigglypuff - 106% (98%)*
Squirtle - 109% (99%)*
Fox - 109% (101%)
Game & Watch - 110% (102%)*
Meta Knight - 112% (103%)*
Kirby - 113% (104%)*
Pikachu - 113% (104%)
Falco - 114% (105%)
Shiek - 114% (126%)
Zero Suit Samus - 114% (105%)
Olimar - 116% (107%)*
Zelda - 118% (109%)
Marth - 119% (110%)
Peach - 121% (112%)
Diddy Kong - 122% (113%)
Toon Link - 122% (113%)
Ice Climbers - 123% (114%)
Lucas - 123% (113%)
Pit - 124% (114%)
Ness - 124% (114%)
Sonic - 124% (114%)
Luigi - 126% (117%)
Mario - 127% (117%)
Wolf - 127% (117%)
Ivysaur - 127% (118%)
Lucario - 128% (119%)
Captain Falcon - 129% (119%)
Link - 130% (120%)
Ike - 131% (121%)
Wario - 132% (122%)
Ganondorf - 133% (123%)
Yoshi - 133% (123%)
R.O.B. - 133% (123%)
Charizard - 134% (124%)
Samus - 134% (124%)
King Dedede - 136% (126%)
Snake - 137% (126%)
Donkey Kong - 139% (128%)
Bowser - 140% (129%)
Average KO% of Fsmash: 124%
Average KO% of Fsmash (Tilted Up): 114%
Average KO% of Fsmash (Tilted Down): 135%
Utilt
Zero Suit Samus - 102%
Jigglypuff - 109%
Squirtle - 111%
Fox - 111%
Falco - 111%
Game & Watch - 113%
Meta Knight - 114%
Kirby - 115%
Pikachu - 115%
Shiek - 116%
Olimar - 118%
Zelda - 120%
Marth - 122%
Diddy Kong - 123%
Peach - 124%
Toon Link - 125%
Lucas - 125%
Ice Climbers - 126%
Pit - 126%
Ness - 126%
Sonic - 126%
Wolf - 128%
Luigi - 129%
Mario - 130%
Ivysaur - 131%
Lucario - 131%
Captain Falcon - 131%
Link - 132%
Ike - 133%
Wario - 135%
Ganondorf - 135%
Yoshi - 135%
R.O.B. - 135%
Charizard - 137%
Samus - 137%
King Dedede - 138%
Snake - 139%
Donkey Kong - 141%
Bowser - 143%
Average KO% of Utilt: 126%
Down Smash
King Dedede - 179%
Snake - 172%
Donkey Kong - 168%
Captain Falcon - 164%
Ganondorf - 161%
Ike - 161%
Bowser - 160%
Link - 158%
Wolf - 155%
Charizard - 154%
Wario - 154%
Yoshi - 152%
R.O.B. - 150%
Samus - 149%
Ivysaur - 149%
Lucario - 146%
Pit - 146%
Sonic - 146%
Mario - 144%
Luigi - 143%
Ness - 143%
Marth - 143%
Diddy Kong - 142%
Lucas - 141%
Toon Link - 140%
Falco - 139%
Ice Climbers - 137%
Olimar - 134%
Pikachu - 134%
Peach - 133%
Zero Suit Samus - 133%
Zelda - 131%
Shiek - 131%
Fox - 129%
Kirby - 128%
Meta Knight - 128%
Game & Watch - 125%
Squirtle - 120%
Jigglypuff - 116%
Average KO% of Down Smash: 145%