trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
LOL i feel the same way.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Sinji
Smash Master
LOL id like to see that to.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
it astounds me that even at this point people can't understand that all the tech skill in the world is useless if you don't know how or when to apply it
Sinji
Smash Master
^ thats tru. the average fox/falco player would just use tech skills just because they know how to use it while experienced players would mix up there strategies like JC grab at one point then waveshine at another point. Mix up is key in order to succeed in a match.
joeplicate
Smash Master
watch lucky vs zhu!! lucky is a perfect example of a fox with about all the tech skill in the world who plays creatively and *****
that's how u fox
and toph:
i have a feeling that eventually every way to express approval for anything in life will be replaced by a singular, homogenous 'like' feature
that's how u fox
and toph:
i have a feeling that eventually every way to express approval for anything in life will be replaced by a singular, homogenous 'like' feature
Tomacawk
Smash Master
i don't believe in god
Meneks
Smash Lord
Tomacawk
Smash Master
as far as I know these are the only vids of my fox from HDR (these are vs tink)
people please tell me what you think
what pops out at me is that I tend to get a little sloppy at times, and I need to grab the ledge against falcon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEHT7XSHyjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b87gW-rZNUM
There may be a few moneymatches that might get uploaded, I'm not sure.
people please tell me what you think
what pops out at me is that I tend to get a little sloppy at times, and I need to grab the ledge against falcon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEHT7XSHyjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b87gW-rZNUM
There may be a few moneymatches that might get uploaded, I'm not sure.
For the first match:
-More consistency with grab combos. You can CG if he DIs to either side and utilt off no DI. Either one will lead to a lot.
-More aware of your spacing and your opponent while dash dancing and be more patient in general. You seem to base a lot of your ground game around random JC grabs. Try to incorporate more baits and safe guesses.
-You laser a lot at dumb/unsafe times. Lasering is good to do sparingly just to show your opponent that you're willing to, but with Falcon's mobility it can be hard to judge what's safe and what isn't.
-More consistency with tech chasing. With Fox, and especially against Falcon, it's very easy to grab techs to either side on reaction. It seems fairly easy to react to the tech in place with shine, but I haven't experimented with this much. If you're going to guess on the tech in place, guess with something safer than usmash. Utilt and grab are good choices.
-In general, I think it's better to forget about hitting your opponent when you're on the edge and just focus on regaining control of the stage, but ledgehop invincible uair can be really, really good against people who try to bait you with fulljumps. Best used sparingly because you can get punished so hard for it.
-This didn't particularly screw you in this match, but be more consistent with edgeguards. Incredibly important always, but you especially want to focus on abusing Falcon's garbage recovery.
Hope that helps. I'll probably post more if I get around to watching the second match.
-More consistency with grab combos. You can CG if he DIs to either side and utilt off no DI. Either one will lead to a lot.
-More aware of your spacing and your opponent while dash dancing and be more patient in general. You seem to base a lot of your ground game around random JC grabs. Try to incorporate more baits and safe guesses.
-You laser a lot at dumb/unsafe times. Lasering is good to do sparingly just to show your opponent that you're willing to, but with Falcon's mobility it can be hard to judge what's safe and what isn't.
-More consistency with tech chasing. With Fox, and especially against Falcon, it's very easy to grab techs to either side on reaction. It seems fairly easy to react to the tech in place with shine, but I haven't experimented with this much. If you're going to guess on the tech in place, guess with something safer than usmash. Utilt and grab are good choices.
-In general, I think it's better to forget about hitting your opponent when you're on the edge and just focus on regaining control of the stage, but ledgehop invincible uair can be really, really good against people who try to bait you with fulljumps. Best used sparingly because you can get punished so hard for it.
-This didn't particularly screw you in this match, but be more consistent with edgeguards. Incredibly important always, but you especially want to focus on abusing Falcon's garbage recovery.
Hope that helps. I'll probably post more if I get around to watching the second match.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
two things tomacawk:
you seriously need to mix up your techs. You tech in/to the middle almost every time which isprobably the easiest to punish...
your dashdancing could use some work. sometimes it just seems like you're doing it for no purpose. like 2:51 in the first mach, i dont know why you chose to DD n that situation.
i dunno, work on your DD to space and stuff, thats why its good. and tech better/less pattern prone.
you seriously need to mix up your techs. You tech in/to the middle almost every time which isprobably the easiest to punish...
your dashdancing could use some work. sometimes it just seems like you're doing it for no purpose. like 2:51 in the first mach, i dont know why you chose to DD n that situation.
i dunno, work on your DD to space and stuff, thats why its good. and tech better/less pattern prone.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
i got to play m2k today at my monthly..****ing god.
he still *****, but he's so rust...brawl is just destroying his melee side.
he also says he's legitimately retiring. dunno if that's to be taken serious but if so, bumer 3:
he still *****, but he's so rust...brawl is just destroying his melee side.
he also says he's legitimately retiring. dunno if that's to be taken serious but if so, bumer 3:
Saux
Smash Apprentice
awh, that sucks so much! m2ks like my favourite pro
that sucks so much! m2ks like my favourite pro
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I was teching in a lot mostly as mindgames. I pay a lot of attention to how I tech; Tink is good enough where you can rarely tech out of his combos, so it was one of those "I bet he won't expect me to tech this way again" things. When I thought I could sneak a different tech to get out of the combo, I tried to.
Thank you ZoSo as well. Keep 'em coming guys
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
that may work wellsometimes, but my guess is he see's your little tricks as 'okay he rolled this way before, by habit he'll probably do it again' , with him probably assuming you're not thinking that deep into it
CanISmash
Smash Lord
CC Upsmash, profit.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
yea usually if someone is better than you, they just assume you'll tech predictably until you prove to them otherwise. this applies at every level, even among "very good pro" vs. "slightly worse pro" i think o.o
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I know the swirling vortex of teching mindgames.
I appreciate the attempts to help, but if you notice in game 2 I started teching up instead and changed it near the end after he punished it twice. Notice how many times I teched towards him that match.
I don't want to discourage people trying to help my game (that IS why I came here), but I was thinking of these things during the matches and adjusted accordingly. If my matches can't project that to you, then either you guys aren't watching closely enough (or just watching game one) or I need to play better so that it isn't assumed to be a problem.
I appreciate the attempts to help, but if you notice in game 2 I started teching up instead and changed it near the end after he punished it twice. Notice how many times I teched towards him that match.
I don't want to discourage people trying to help my game (that IS why I came here), but I was thinking of these things during the matches and adjusted accordingly. If my matches can't project that to you, then either you guys aren't watching closely enough (or just watching game one) or I need to play better so that it isn't assumed to be a problem.
Against bad/decent Falcons, I don't really think about my techs cause I can just beat them anyway.
Against good Falcons... honestly, I just rotate the joystick and leave it up to fate.
Either way, I don't think defense was your problem in this match.
Against good Falcons... honestly, I just rotate the joystick and leave it up to fate.
Either way, I don't think defense was your problem in this match.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I agree with you. I dropped a few combos out of uthrow, as you said, and my dashes could have been better. Overall I am pretty happy with my performance though. Tink is too good.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
If you rotate the stick to randomize your techs, how often do you intentionally miss the tech?
I just kinda do it when I think it will work. I'm sure I unknowingly do it in certain situations, but I think I'm pretty good at staying unpredictable in that department.
It's important to remember that not teching is a solid option. Except against Sheik.
It's important to remember that not teching is a solid option. Except against Sheik.
joeplicate
Smash Master
the ultimate tech mindgame:
DI away and hit L REALLY LOUD as soon as they throw you.
audio cue = "oh he's gonna tech"
then laugh because you faked them out by pressing it too early for the tech to actually register!
DI away and hit L REALLY LOUD as soon as they throw you.
audio cue = "oh he's gonna tech"
then laugh because you faked them out by pressing it too early for the tech to actually register!
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
lol have you actually done that?
joeplicate
Smash Master
i've thought about it before =P
pretty sure i've done it in a friendly or something
**** ***** though
meta-mindgames
pretty sure i've done it in a friendly or something
**** ***** though
meta-mindgames
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
^ lol thats so oldschool
darkmikes been doing that to me since like 2005
darkmikes been doing that to me since like 2005
unknown522
Some guy
hahaahahahahahaha. I wonder if anyone is offended by this?
lol, breast cancer awareness falcon.
But yeah, can't be dropping those combos. Also, u-tilt is amazing. Use it more.
he always says that. I won't believe him until it actually happens.
lol. What a jerk =P
CanISmash
Smash Lord
on another note its hilarious when your tech chasing and you just stop to look at the persons controller to tech chase them. its legal its easy and its lulzy
Hi David :D
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
yeah, i figured most wouldn't, but he seems more likely than usual to me, he said "it's not worth the 3 tournaments a year. it's about the money.. sadly." which is true, if you have that mindset atleast.
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
Can someone give me some tipsies on my fox? I'm working on one for various reasons lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-t1WfPzptA (vid may not be processed at the time of clicking this link cuz I just uploaded it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-t1WfPzptA (vid may not be processed at the time of clicking this link cuz I just uploaded it)
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
When fighting peach with fox, on platform stages, you don't have to get too fancy. Fox gets a lot more out of having platforms around than peach does. But Fox vs Peach on FD is still like, 50-50 right? So on platform stages, you want to fight her "as if" it's FD (as in, play very carefully as if you could still get chaingrabbed to death as if it were FD), and just escape to the platforms when you're in trouble. Drill Peach when she's on the ground, and nair is good if you catch her in the air with it - I wouldn't rely on that too much though. Just make not getting hit or grabbed your top priority, instead of trying to attack. Attacking will follow :D
Oh yeah, and if you think you're going to get dash attacked, DI away. kind of like if you think you're in trouble of getting grabbed by Puff, DI to the side. Peach gets grabs and nasty bull**** off dash attacks.
Oh yeah, and if you think you're going to get dash attacked, DI away. kind of like if you think you're in trouble of getting grabbed by Puff, DI to the side. Peach gets grabs and nasty bull**** off dash attacks.
Winston
Smash Master
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FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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Tomacawk,
if you ask for advice and people give you advice, you gain absolutely nothing by telling them their advice was wrong. All you do is convince people that you actually don't want advice because you can't handle criticism. Even if you're totally sure that they're wrong - which is the wrong attitude to have, in any case - you should just let slide the comments that you disagree with, because responding negatively won't help anyone.
if you ask for advice and people give you advice, you gain absolutely nothing by telling them their advice was wrong. All you do is convince people that you actually don't want advice because you can't handle criticism. Even if you're totally sure that they're wrong - which is the wrong attitude to have, in any case - you should just let slide the comments that you disagree with, because responding negatively won't help anyone.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
in tomacawks defense, he did tech differently in game 2 so whatever...
waveshine downsmash bro.
Erkekjetter
Smash Journeyman
Does waveshine fsmash even work??