Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Brookman]

unkown has never played my doc and will lose. @th0rn @otg @max?

 

[Bones0]

Forget hash tags. It's all about the Smash tags.

#Bookman?
#Brookman'sDoc
#GetOnBrookman'sLevel
#BrookTheManBrookman
#SaltyCroutons

 

[unknown522]

Lol

 

[PGH Carroll]

#SuperBasementVirginFoxTaskForce

also i just remembered me and unknown have the same birthday

 

[Bones0]

I just found out yesterday I have the same birthday as P!nk. :D

 

[Silent Wolf]

some new tourney matches of ya boi. there should be another set of me vs bladewise coming too

me vs bladewise

me vs ka master

 

[omgwtfToph]

wow that last dashdance in WFs

 

[unknown522]

Omg ka-master!

 

[KirbyKaze]

I want to try my ultra gay anti-Luigi strats vs Ka with Sheik and Fox

This may result in MMs

 

[omgwtfToph]

Wanna share some of the Fox-specific ones with me?

Might help me come next month.

 

[unknown522]

So I got a warning for minor spam because I said "lol"

The post on this page. Apparently someone is offended.

Sup

 

[KirbyKaze]

I posted them a while ago in detail, might be worth looking up but the gist of it is:


KK's guide to being gay to skating clowns:

My credentials are ****** Vudujin and Abate at HOPE something with this strat (as Fox or Sheik) and doing almost nothing else, you can dispute if you want but it's IMO and it's been effective vs all Luigis I've played after that (although I've not played Eddy or Ka)

Anyway, let's begin

Basically stay outside his f-tilt and d-smash but still inside his medium WD length

Punish his flailing because he now can't defend on reaction or space without retreat WDing to try and redo the whole situation (Luigi's got limited movement options so prey on this - even if he's fast you're just as fast and more maneuverable which is a big advantage)

Press him to the edge when he WDs back and force him offstage (if he can't ledgedash with invuln then you win at this point by bair/shine/grab suite)

When gimping him in general, remember he has low stun & fast aerials so be vigilant for DJ fair recoveries and block > shine them (he has other stuff but DJ attack is the most important to watch for 'cuz it's common and you lose your advantage if he gets it - other options can be managed after the fact most of the time)

Stuff WD approaches with u-tilt or hard aerials (nair, bair) to prevent CC - you can also grab and toss him onto a plat, above, or towards the edge (whichever makes most sense)

He has poor CC if you low aerial 'cuz traction makes him slide out of range of counterattacks - don't always shine, sometimes jump and block are appropriate 'cuz traction

He has poor OOS if you low aerial 'cuz traction

Prioritize putting him offstage over keeping him in the air unless you've got godlike combo break punishes (which is possible, but gimping him is easier generally speaking)

For combo breaks:

U-tilt > his nair combo break
Bair is also good though it trades a lot
For how mediocre u-smash's combo potential is, I don't recommend it (u-tilt leads to uairs and bair can lead to more bair but u-smash is just 18% - if it kills then sure but even then I'd take the edgeguard because hitting bair & nair is so much easier and his recovery is awful unless he gets lucky [and Fox can defend vs luck preemptively with invuln bair so it's not even that good vs him])
If all else fails, shield > something or DD into something (dash attack, grab)
Watch for little range differences or stun differences with dair and fair and whatever but the way you punish them is fundamentally the same, just different timings

If he side Bs offstage to get onstage I find uair punishes **** him at low percent. The damage is great and it's easy to finish with him in a terrible position (above Fox or offstage). I feel people don't combo floaties enough in general but w/e. Otherwise treat it like Marth and bair him off, throw him off, etc. until KO percent (where you u-smash him - if you can send him towards the edge rather than across the stage this shrinks the KO percent favourably [ledgehop to get in front of him and then turn around u-smash])

Uhh, random fact: shine > dash attack is a combo but requires crazy speed but it's useful for when he's slipping off the edge to grab it (after like 50% - sometimes sets up gimps)

And in general I rarely laser in this MU unless he's offstage or something because onstage laser requires giving him space (so laser is safe) and that's when he's strongest as a character IMO because a mobile slide approach with complete option suite is pri goot - I feel he holds hardest to a controlled offense that preys on his traction to cripple his CC and OOS (you're doing what Ganon does except as Fox so it's way better)





Or just platform camp with bair, laser, etc. but that's boring

 

[unknown522]

So David since you are on the boards. I came to your house and just left. I'm at yonge and Steeles if you're in the area

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm at Richard's

 

[unknown522]

Oh. Well I'm on the bus now.

Also check the local thread

 

[omgwtfToph]

I can't wait to be gay to skating clowns. Thanks, KK!

 

[unknown522]

Yeah Luigi sucks. It's like fighting ICs without the infinites and shield gayness

 

[KirbyKaze]

Everyone wants to be gay to skating clowns

I think Luigi has ways around that stuff and could draw his MUs vs the characters that are good at abusing that spacing closer but I've never seen anyone experiment with his non-WD movement with much creativity or strategic basis so whenever I've encountered the "counter" it's never been successful

I think there's potential there though but I dunno if I'm just being optimistic or if he actually does have a lot of character depth untapped

I feel if he could make them back off a little then that could empower baby WDs but bleh theory

Overall this has never failed me so I hope it serves you well too. I made this strat basically because I found platform camping boring and wanted to take stage from him aggressively and prey on his defensive weaknesses. Hope you can have fun with it.

I feel Luigi's punishment is great even when it's wildly unoptimized by the players. I think he could have some semi-legit 0-deaths with 1-2 reads if they focused on that area even vs semi-FFers but that's another topic.

tl;dr Gay clowns are complicated.



edit:

It's like fighting ICs except when you jump over him he doesn't have a disjointed sex kick that hits above his head to catch it and lead to **** combos. And no second character to disrupt the attacking character's positioning via spontaneous blizzard or ice block.

 

[omgwtfToph]

By the way I really liked your use of the word "suite" (i.e. option suite). It appeals to the computer scientist in me.

And yes I will try to have fun with it.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Luigi's the opposite of Sheik

Sheik wins by the opponent closing space (going to her) and her countering their actions by managing her positioning with defensive retreat movements

Luigi wins by closing space and attacking during a slide motion where he retains all his options (or feinting and coming back in later) - since his WD momentum keeps him moving for so long, he can actually overshoot with his entire ground moveset (and not commit until he confirms certain distances) which is sick

Luigi is in essence a long range offensive fighter

Sounds odd, but consider his WD game and it makes sense IMO

 

[omgwtfToph]

I don't think that sounds odd at all.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yeah well your Mom

 

[omgwtfToph]

She's doing okay!

 

[KirbyKaze]

So. This character ***** DK. And Link. And Roy (on not FD). And Zelda.

How does everyone feel about that?

 

[Strong Badam]

it's painful

EDIT: holy **** this is a long *** chain of purple postssss

 

[KirbyKaze]

This is one ridiculous purple combo.

Shrouded don't ruin it.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Get wrecked, MBR people.

Smooth Criminal

 

[KirbyKaze]

This is why we'll never be together

 

[ShroudedOne]

I specifically didn't post just to keep it pure.

 

[KirbyKaze]

And I appreciate that

 

[omgwtfToph]

I love playing matchups like Link and Zelda because the usual diminishing returns on having absurd techskill don't exist. You can stop thinking altogether and just push buttons. It's so wonderful.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yeah vs characters like Link, Zelda, and DK once you just reach a certain level of tech skill & basic Fox strategy you can basically mow them over because no shield game, very comboable, weak combo break moves, and ridiculous movement advantage = lolFox2good

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yes.

Listen to this arrangement of the Chocobo theme with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3G9_9b6Fk

 

[KirbyKaze]

Another time

I'm on Neighburgers right now by Protricity (sp?)

It's a fun mix

 

[Bones0]

So I got a warning for minor spam because I said "lol"

The post on this page. Apparently someone is offended.

Sup

lo l

 

[kd-]

Toe OoS is still scary to me, but the only Zelda I ever played was TheLake and he whupped me =/

 

[unknown522]

The lake is pretty good. The key is to go close to her so that she can't kick you oos as fox. Her options are too limited.

I've played the lake twice in bracket ever

 

[ShroudedOne]

And crouch cancel/SDI upsmash OOS.

 

[Dark Hart]

Fox vs Zelda is stupid

 

[omgwtfToph]

Toe OoS is kind of scary until you realize she's ****ed if she doesn't hit with it so you just dashdance her and yeah. Also what unknown said.