One of the bigges problems that i see with fox is his recovers and how predictible it is. Is there anyway to hit the ledge with firefox so someone ledge guarding will get hit and fox can still grab on or what? Also is there a good angle to tech samuses uptilt because it owns me and i cant find a good angle to come in.
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Fox Recovery
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Wii4Mii 99
Smash Lord
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From above, if you do your up-b straight towards the edge, Fox will immediatly grab it.
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kerploplesteesh
Smash Journeyman
for samus's utilt you can usually get away without getting hit if you sweet spot from below, also, if the samus is predictable with his utilt you can illusion above it and it a platform or something of the sort.
kenny10
Smash Journeyman
You don't always have to use Firefox as a recovery. There is also his illusion. You'll be less predictable if you switch up recoveries every now and then or Firefox at different angles.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Fox actually has one of the least predictable recoveries in the game, since he has the illusion and the firefox. The fire fox can go at many angles, and the illusion can go at 6 lengths.
robyextreme
Smash Ace
I wouldn't say least predictable. A good player would know what the other fox can do from where ever he is.
You can illusion and get pwned by enemys timing, or up+b then end up giving the oponnent some time to react.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
I didn't say least, i said one of the least. (although i can't think of any right now less predictalbe, maybe, MAYBE sheik)
although thats true, Fox/falcos recovery's is still one of their many weaknesses and they are easily edge guarded.....
Redragon
SCOTU
Smash Hero
AH, that reminds me, Samus, samus, and peach have less predictable recoveries.
And they're only easily edgegaurded if you know where they're going to go...
And they're only easily edgegaurded if you know where they're going to go...
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
Pichu and Pikachu are also less predictable imo especially a good one. I was gonna say Jiggly too but Jiggs is never actually recovering. Everytime I see a Jiggs really trying to recover (i.e. low below the stage) usually they get *****.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Stage returns are the hard part. If you tech it, don't jump, and do an instant illusion straight to the edge. And note that you can also edge wavedash, letting you do a bunch of moves while invincible.
takieddine
Smash Master
I dont think you need to get that technical about teching and grabing the ledge, instant or a quick illusion is probably enough, they'll probably still be recovering from the lag of their edgeguard.
For samus's uptilt, you can just aim and land past samus, since the utilt has the hitbox in the front (and a bit at the top).
For samus's uptilt, you can just aim and land past samus, since the utilt has the hitbox in the front (and a bit at the top).
SCOTU
Smash Hero
yeah, but if you're gonna have to tech it, this is the best follow up i've come up with, since they don't have time to edge guard it.
lillight3
Smash Apprentice
how exactly do you ledge tech with it. i know you DI towards the stage and press L/R and ive tried it with mines in training mode but my timing is still off.
technomancer
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M2 and Pika
Fox also has the problem that you can kill the illusion by reflex with most character's jab->ftilt/dsmash/fsmash, and the firefox is a set distance and finishes on a set timing.
technomancer
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Practice in Break the Targets to get the timing.
and watch out for two consecutive posts O_o
lillight3
Smash Apprentice
oh man that helped a lot so thank you for the advice. i pretty much get it everytime now in break the targets so i hope its not too different in a fight.
oh and to trick people with the recovery i like to sometimes do the really short Illusion. all i have been doing is Mashing B but a lot of times i dont get it. is this method wrong or am i just not fast enough?
oh and to trick people with the recovery i like to sometimes do the really short Illusion. all i have been doing is Mashing B but a lot of times i dont get it. is this method wrong or am i just not fast enough?