Free Uair on ganon when he releases you from his up b (+vid) - The 'backfire Uair'

[Red-Blue]

What gf2 said
We did enough testing

*Goes to recheck*

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

Oh thats right...

Can you use falcon dive right after this? *imagines getting ganonraped and then returning it with a YESZ!*

 

[Jupz]

hazzz

sweet find

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

hazzz

sweet find

Oh its Jupz.
You and your lagginess lol

I'd totally go test the ganonrape cancel with a falcon dive, but... I don't have willing test subjects <_<

 

[t3h n00b]

I don't have Brawl right now, but I keep thinking there's something we're not thinking of... or otherwise won't both upBs become more or less useless for stage spikes and get counterattacked most of the time?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Falcon dive will not work. Falcon Dive isn't momentum cancelling so you just fly back. You'll also get a B-move punishment push (check out some of Infzy's DI vids on youtube if you have no clue what this is). This makes Falcon dive ineffective on it. It also doesn't come out fast enough.
And t3h n00b, this only applies to Ganons recovery, not Falcon.

 

[t3h n00b]

Well that's cool, so why can't this be used against Falcon?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Falcon has decent hitstun on his dive?
I don't know, it's just a difference between the moves.

 

[Face124]

Yes, its the hitstun. Ganondorf's Up-B has 0 hitstun, Falcon's just has usual hitstun like any other attack.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

No.
Falcon's up b has too much knockback/hitstun, even when the opponent has around 90% damage.

Ganon's up b just turns weird after ganon's opponent has more than 90% damage..

on another note, marth's Fair is also confirmed to be a backfire aerial.

Wow, you would think that Ganon's would have the knockback. I guess his is all about damage.

 

[Face124]

Nah, Ganondorf's Up-B does only 11%, Falcon's does 17%.

 

[t3h n00b]

Wow, and doesn't Ganon's have less range too? I'm pretty sure it does used as a recovery move, but maybe the grab range for it is different. I'd guess weight, but weights in Brawl are pretty uniform (Bowser isn't more than 150% of Jigglypuff's weight).

 

[Player-3]

so you could side-b him from this?

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

Falcon dive will not work. Falcon Dive isn't momentum cancelling so you just fly back. You'll also get a B-move punishment push (check out some of Infzy's DI vids on youtube if you have no clue what this is). This makes Falcon dive ineffective on it. It also doesn't come out fast enough.
And t3h n00b, this only applies to Ganons recovery, not Falcon.

Didjya test it? Or is this just saying stuffs?

Not being rude or anything.

Anyways, uair is more than sufficient, uair > falcon dive recovery, or if you have your second jump/a wall to bounce on uair > uair/flub knee/sweet knee/dair > recovery

 

[illinialex24]

Yeah this is really useful.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Did you honestly have to make this thread?

 

[TP]

Did you honestly have to make this thread?

The real question is why it was made here, of all places.

MK is my secondary. I've started Uair strings that end in killing Ganon off the top using this. Poor Ganon.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

Wait a minute. I looked at one of my past vids and did this on samus. o_O it was dated 9-22-08

 

[Jim Morrison]

The real question is why it was made here, of all places.

MK is my secondary. I've started Uair strings that end in killing Ganon off the top using this. Poor Ganon.

Because it was found by a Falcon, and secrecy is all that is left in this game.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Because it was found by a Falcon, and secrecy is all that is left in this game.

No, you're wrong. This was known, by us Ganons, a few months from the game's release.

 

[TP]

Yeah, every Ganon faces a level 9 Luigi or MK at some point. When we do, we learn this. Happened to me last summer, I believe. It is a rite of passage. Only after watching a computer punish you for doing something well can you truly understand what it is to main Ganon.

 

[Player-3]

so you could side-b him from this?

i repeat.....

if you cant up b since it doesnt stupid horizontal momentum..

 

[Jim Morrison]

Rephrased:
It was never published to the Falcons, and a Falcon main has heard this, wanting to share this with the community.
Secrecy in a board is gay

 

[TP]

Rephrased:
It was never published to the Falcons, and a Falcon main has heard this, wanting to share this with the community.
Secrecy in a board is gay

Grab outprioritizes Murder Choke.

Happy now?

 

[t3h n00b]

i repeat.....

if you cant up b since it doesnt stupid horizontal momentum..

I think the same principle applies, so you can't do side b. If you did anyway, you'd probably miss and die unless you were hit away from the stage with Dark Dive.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Grab outprioritizes Murder Choke.

Happy now?

Quite, I didn't know this >_>

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

Did you honestly have to make this thread?

Did you honestly have to hide it?