Dev2000
Smash Lord
That upb thing has lost me MANY matches i hate it when it happens
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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Kage Me
Smash Ace
It's not a glitch - Popo initiates Belay and throws Nana up there, but Diddy reaches the ledge first. The same thing happens with Pikmin Chain.
JustNoOne
Smash Lord
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If anyone of use hacks our Wii I would start helping the person out with calculations on knockback growth and damage output. The only problem is that I don't fully understand hwo to calculate knockback growth and as well it's hard to actually find the full damage output from multi hit attacks as like blizzard are squall.
KRDsonic
Smash Master
There's the fact that the belay doesn't send me up at all though... D:
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
It did actually. It gave you the exact height that you would have gained if Nana belayed at the edge if the edgehogger's invincibility frames were down. She would have hit the opponent, failing the tether belay, but you would still get the height of a normal belay since it would have initiated the moment the tether failed even though nana still hogged the edge, giving you the exact height of the edge to grab it. The same thing happened when you were tethering while nana was sharing the ledge. The problem was that the edge was still being occupied by the opponent despite nana's failed tether belay so you were still propelled he height of the initiated normal belay but you couldn't grab the edge, resulting in your death...
Stray Element
Smash Cadet
So I had to take about a 2 week break from playing members of my crew, and I lost some of my chain grabbing skills. Now that I'm back, I cant seem to get them back due to the fact that my crew mates have not lost their over developed ability to break out of grabs super fast (once I picked up IC they learned real fast 
). Practicing on CPU's does not help very much since those matches don't have the same unpredictability that matches against my friends do.
Anyone got any tips other than just practice practice practice?
Also as long as I'm posting, often times when I de-sync my climbers, I try a forward smash with Popo, only to have them roll behind me, when I mash the c-stick in the other direction, Nana just does a f-smash the same direction that Popo did. Is there a way to make her switch, or would I be better of doing a d-smash when this happens?
). Practicing on CPU's does not help very much since those matches don't have the same unpredictability that matches against my friends do. Anyone got any tips other than just practice practice practice?
Also as long as I'm posting, often times when I de-sync my climbers, I try a forward smash with Popo, only to have them roll behind me, when I mash the c-stick in the other direction, Nana just does a f-smash the same direction that Popo did. Is there a way to make her switch, or would I be better of doing a d-smash when this happens?
Dev2000
Smash Lord
The chaingrabs are nothing more than practice practice practice HARDSo I had to take about a 2 week break from playing members of my crew, and I lost some of my chain grabbing skills. Now that I'm back, I cant seem to get them back due to the fact that my crew mates have not lost their over developed ability to break out of grabs super fast (once I picked up IC they learned real fast
Anyone got any tips other than just practice practice practice?
Also as long as I'm posting, often times when I de-sync my climbers, I try a forward smash with Popo, only to have them roll behind me, when I mash the c-stick in the other direction, Nana just does a f-smash the same direction that Popo did. Is there a way to make her switch, or would I be better of doing a d-smash when this happens?
anyway about that de-sync thing if it keeps happening just use Dsmash That'll work
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
I wouldn't use a forward smash unless the Opponent is being trapped by the other climber's attack, like squall or blizzard. Fsmash is very laggy at the end and if you only have nana to defend you while desynced, that is a bad situation you are in. For the chain grabbing skills, you just have to find your rhythm and learn from there. There isn't much help we can offer besides that since chain grabs often are made better through the player's muscle memory, not knowledge...So I had to take about a 2 week break from playing members of my crew, and I lost some of my chain grabbing skills. Now that I'm back, I cant seem to get them back due to the fact that my crew mates have not lost their over developed ability to break out of grabs super fast (once I picked up IC they learned real fast
Anyone got any tips other than just practice practice practice?
Also as long as I'm posting, often times when I de-sync my climbers, I try a forward smash with Popo, only to have them roll behind me, when I mash the c-stick in the other direction, Nana just does a f-smash the same direction that Popo did. Is there a way to make her switch, or would I be better of doing a d-smash when this happens?
Stray Element
Smash Cadet
Alright I guess there is no easy way to get those skills back lol. Thanks for the info on the smashes.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i'm not known for my contributions to the CG comunity, but i found something that may be able to be integrated into something bigger. i found this a LOOOOOONG time ago, but only recently thought to do it deliberately. its probably pretty well known by now, but for all those new to these forums hoping to learn about ICs this may be interesting.
popo grab -> full jump (possibly double, not sure) -> bthrow -> c-stick back -> regrab
the result is similar to a fthrow -> fair but from behind. i first did it when i was trying to pull off a quick hobble. i missed the footstool and panicked. i was afraid i was going to miss the opportunity so i smashed c-stick back so i could try and get the smash. what happened was nana turned around mid-air and spiked him behind me.
like i said, not really too big, but still possibly helpful to someone.
popo grab -> full jump (possibly double, not sure) -> bthrow -> c-stick back -> regrab
the result is similar to a fthrow -> fair but from behind. i first did it when i was trying to pull off a quick hobble. i missed the footstool and panicked. i was afraid i was going to miss the opportunity so i smashed c-stick back so i could try and get the smash. what happened was nana turned around mid-air and spiked him behind me.
like i said, not really too big, but still possibly helpful to someone.
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
A jump release occurs in one of two ways: the opponent' feet don't touch the ground while being held, or the opponent hits a jump button while mashing buttons to break out. So to force it, you either need to grab someone at the edge of a platform or the stage, or grab a shorter character like Kirby (ICs probably I'm not sure) with a taller character, like Captain Falcon. Also, if you pummel your opponent, it will force a ground release.
ignore the fire
Smash Journeyman
I found this awhile ago, too.
I think it's better to hit c-stick forward before the bthrow. Nana will turn around and do a fair. =P
Bellioes
Smash Lord
How come, whenever I do the Bthrow hobble, Nana always ends up jumping really high after the footstool. In the vids that Kawaii Bunny had in his IC tricks thread, they jump but Nana ends up just barely above the opponent.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
you're probably holding down the jump button. you have to tap it.
Bellioes
Smash Lord
K thanks I think I got it now
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
Can someone answer my question? I want a very detailed description on how to do a forward throw to pivot grab as demonstrated in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7p23uCIUA
Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7p23uCIUA
Thanks
Kage Me
Smash Ace
Popo f-throw.
Nana grab.
Tap forward so that Popo dashes and Nana grabs.
Upon Nana's release, do a pivot grab.
...That's about as detailed as you're going to get. It all comes down to timing, but I find it's one of the easier chaingrabs. Bit unpractical in most situations, though...
Nana grab.
Tap forward so that Popo dashes and Nana grabs.
Upon Nana's release, do a pivot grab.
...That's about as detailed as you're going to get. It all comes down to timing, but I find it's one of the easier chaingrabs. Bit unpractical in most situations, though...
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
I ended up figuring it out, but to be honest, description wasn't too helpful. I guess what I was really asking for is a detailed description of how to do a pivot grab. The key it to have Popo pass Nana,, and jerk the control stick back, then while still holding the control stick, grab. I don't know why the video didn't say that.
Dev2000
Smash Lord
Does there already exsist an Ice climbers guide? if not i'll make one :3
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
Dev2000
Smash Lord
Likeness101
Smash Apprentice
Do I really need to learn how to hobble or can I just stick to alternating throws? -Is playing IC-
JustNoOne
Smash Lord
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You don't have to learn any, just do what you think is just. :3
Its neat to know as many chain grabs as possible, but when it comes down to using them, you want to use the most effective one possible. Hobbling and alts are both effective in their own ways. Just stick to whatever one you feel more comfortable using and you'll do fine.
Personally, I prefer alternates, hobbling is too slow for me.
Personally, I prefer alternates, hobbling is too slow for me.
Likeness101
Smash Apprentice
Yea because when I was trying it out Dthrow to Fair to -attempted- Fthrow chain grab would just seem to be the best bet although I still suck at getting the timing down.
Dev2000
Smash Lord
Yea it sux it took me a day or 3 of practice back in melee (good times)
Anyway you dont have to learn everything i was like Screw it i dont like that down chain and never bothered to learn it XD
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
Lol wobbling or grab combos in melee? And the only chaingrab I can do well is dthrow fair, it was pretty easy, but it's not that useful to me, although I don't use the Ice Climbers much.
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
I hate olimars.....If you Squall hammer them it usualy works but if oli grabs one, he usually smashes the other..Any tips on this matchup ?
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
Try to stay as desynced as possible when versing Olimar. This will make him have a harder time finding a window to grab you at. Even if he grabs you while you are desynced, he'll have issues dealing with your partner.
Desynce Ice blocks, squalls (yes squalls, it's good in priority though it doesn't have a finishing hit when desynced. That's why you finish with a smash from the other climber.), and blizzards can help you a lot for this match up.
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
IB helps a lot for his lasser spam....(Didnt mean to pick up IC for Falco anyway ^_^) 2nd main ftw =3
Falco is super easy to CG. Space animals in general = easy to cG. if your lazy you can do Dthrow him only till 30% then CG him to death. Wall of Blizz kind of helps if they reflector but you can grab out of that. you win Camp battles....Do I have to go on?
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but lasers go over any slightly decayed ice blocks (as in when they melt) and if the falco is laser spamming you, when are you going to find the time to desynce the ice blocks without getting shot in the middle of a desync attempt, especially since laser will hit you both at once because of the way the Ice Climbers are practically on top of each other... For falco, he just has to laser camp you and he is set...
Well you've both effectively neutralized any advice you've given me. Can someone who knows this matchup and knows what they're talking about give me some specific advice here?
Otherwise I'll just PM Lain or someone I guess. He's the only good IC player I know of.
Otherwise I'll just PM Lain or someone I guess. He's the only good IC player I know of.
Kage Me
Smash Ace
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
My advice would be to somehow get close to Falco to attack him close up since he can't grab you and has few options of defense. Unfortunately, if the Falco enjoys laser spamming to a Falco phantasm close-up, you are going to have to spam blizzard as your main approach on him to prevent him from whizzing past you onto the other side of the stage. Since he'll probably get the phantasm out after the blizzard, your going to have to do dashing Power shields to get to him through the laser storm and proceed doing this means of approach to do enough damage for a kill... Cg whenever the opportunity rises since he is easy to cg but don't spam grab, that's asking for punishment.
Fino
Smash Master
Why are IC's so afraid of platforms?
~Fino
~Fino
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
You can't really chaingrab on platforms. I guess like one regrab maybe, but yeah- a ton of the metagame revolves around chaingrabs, and as far as I know, you can't really do anything to combo into a grab if you throw the opponent off a platform.