Fino
Smash Master
But you can chain grab on platforms.... I'm able to do bthrow to dthrow just fine.
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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~Fino
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
:O fair enough well the meager chaingrabs I know don't work on platforms really, but I guess that wouldn't be a problem for you. One thing is that a lot of characters (anyone with a sword, Snake, Bowser, etc) can abuse platforms really well. I don't know if the Ice Climbers' utilt hits through the lower platforms on Battlefield, but something like Snake's utilt or Marth's utilt/usmash would be a lot more effective.
Fino
Smash Master
Can anyone else answer my question? ^^;
~Fino
~Fino
Teh Future
Smash Master
platforms also allow people without a second jump to land on them rather than landing on the stage and risk getting grabbed. Its not that Ice Climbers doesn't want to be on platforms, its just that other people can use them to their advantage.
As to Ice Climbers vs Falco, just watch some videos of it, Falco can't camp very well at all and is easily grabbed+ Blizzard goes through his overB move which effs up his recovery and makes it harder for him to camp.
As to Ice Climbers vs Falco, just watch some videos of it, Falco can't camp very well at all and is easily grabbed+ Blizzard goes through his overB move which effs up his recovery and makes it harder for him to camp.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
actually, its a combination of things. yes, the platforms make it harder to get campy opponents, and yes some CGs don't work well (why everybody only ever does dthrow i'll never know) but ICs themselves are awkward around platforms. when on platforms we're very vulnerable. our game is very ground based and mostly targeted at punishing things over us and too the sides. anything bellow us essentially will screw us (see: returning to stage after being sent up). the platforms mess with our uair/utilt/entire vertical game as power-shielding will block most of our attacks. our air game is abysmal as anyone will tell you as we lack range but have high knock-back (limiting possible combos outside of nair locks which only work once or twice). i have to disagree with bunny in that don't think battlefield is a bad stage for ICs. we still do fairly well there on average and generally manage to dominate the main platform with our awesome ground game.
(p.s. i think SV is actually a terrible stage for us tbqh)
i hope some of that helped.
(p.s. i think SV is actually a terrible stage for us tbqh)
i hope some of that helped.
It really does depend on the character weight for me.
Fthrow bthrow on mediums, maybe even buffer if I really want to, lol. And bthrow dthrow on lights. But Ill do bthrow dthrow on everyone except heavies.
I think its better that you do that though, dthrow is DI-able right?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
IF i do CG i do bthrow to fthrow.
Dev2000
Smash Lord
I use bthrow fthrow
always..
always..
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
ok, you know how when you die and respawn if you time is just right and press b nana will ice block out of the hover thingy and popo will stay in it and remain invincible. well do any of you know exactly when your suppose to press b?
Usually I just hold it and it works.
ElemMasterZeph92
Smash Journeyman
I only have one issue as them: How does one fight effectively? I can chain grab well but when it comes to plain fighting I fail, I don't spam smashes but I have issues choosing which tilt to use in certain situation. Help is very much appreciated. 
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
lol my speciality. for training in this particular area its important that you turn off grabs. no matter how hard you want to, keeping the grabs on will hinder you're learning of the basics. start by playing synced and then move on to desyncs. take it one step at a time.I only have one issue as them: How does one fight effectively? I can chain grab well but when it comes to plain fighting I fail, I don't spam smashes but I have issues choosing which tilt to use in certain situation. Help is very much appreciated.
as far as tilts go, thats just something you need to figure out on your own. practice, practice, practice is all the advice we can give you.
ElemMasterZeph92
Smash Journeyman
Okay, I will try to do that, Thanks
I heard that there's some weird glitch that causes Nana to float in the air and can spam aerials, I've yet to try it though.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
easiest way to see this is to do a tether to the ledge and jump up while nana is finishing her pulling animation. then just press down and c-stick to the side repeatedly to see nana do fairs just below the ledge.Okay, I will try to do that, Thanks
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
what is the best way to resync your self again while your off the edge. like lets say you do blizzard off stage. well when your done doing blizzard, it may look like ur synced but when you go to squall or something, you guys are not synced and you end up falling to ur doom. is the only thing to do is just wait it out and hopefully end up syncing in time or what?
Dev2000
Smash Lord
Just dont do anything for like a half second and then double jump it works for me
ignore the fire
Smash Journeyman
I either wait a sec and try to jump, or I'll airdodge to see if they're synched. I hate getting gimped from them staying desynched >___>
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
nair resync. just press a and your good to go.
1nconspikuous
Smash Apprentice
i don't play ic's too much, but they look incredible! =) that said, i saw one of bunny's vids and she recovers pretty high up on a side-B... do you simply press jump + side-B to do that or is some b-sticking involved, like lucas?
sry here's the vid, @ 1:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgUlmEDhFw
sry here's the vid, @ 1:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgUlmEDhFw
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
While doing Side-B, mash the B-Button.
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
I cant buffer a grab to fchain chars like ganon , anyone have any tips?
Dev2000
Smash Lord
I had the same problem with ganondorf but its all about Practice, practicepracticepractice untill you drop
600th post :3
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
How do I time the regrab?
Dont know much about buffering =X
Dev2000
Smash Lord
Just keep trying untill it works i learned it all on bowser and now i can infinite almost everyone U should try it
Jeet Kune Do
Smash Apprentice
Man, i'm still having a lot of trouble with these infinites, especially the different regrab timginsg on diff chars
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
t3h n00b
Smash Ace
If this is actually going to happen, I'd call it 60-40 Falcon, it would be higher if not for dthrow chaining him at some percents. But Falcon actually has the range advantage here, and knees and even falcon punch can easily KO after you have to land onstage with squall hammer (like starting a punch right before they land so it hits in the landing lag, I do it all the time to Bowser).
Basically, Falcon just needs to get Sopo offstage to get the stock- he can easily keep him offstage, with uair hitting all around him and recovering low almost impossible without Nana present.
Teh Future
Smash Master
that person should learn to not fail horribly with Bowser.
Dev2000
Smash Lord
I am gonna tell you one more timeBowsers a piece of cake , I can only get ganon when hes in the high %'s.
PRACTICE TILL YOU DROP <--- mark these words
ice climbers aint easy and they will take alot of practice to Get reaally good with em
so dont go all crazy if it doesnt work out for you in one day cause i practiced a week on ganondorf to be finally able to infinite it but i like to use that Ice block footstool thing on him cause their like WTF WHY CANT I ROLL AWAY!!? AAARRRRGGGG and that is funny as hell
Kage Me
Smash Ace
I find it's somewhat helpful to take every character to Training mode, and figure out what kind of chaingrab you like best on them. For R.O.B. I always use b-throw hobbling, f-throw hobbling for Jigglypuff, bd-throw for Ike, and SoPo d-throw to the nearest edge for Squirtle.
thanortinzak
Smash Apprentice
How do you do an infinite foward thrown chain? I saw it being done before. And also, can it be used on all charachters?
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
When fthrowing with popo, make sure you are walking with Nana during the forward input and press Z when Popo makes the "eh" sound. To regrab with Popo, just grab right on the time nana throws. Works on everyone. Just varies in speed based on weight.
thanortinzak
Smash Apprentice
Wow...
So it does work on everyone...
IC should be SS tier!!!
So it does work on everyone...
IC should be SS tier!!!
Too bad their viability is lacking.
meepxzero
Smash Master
theres nothing wrong with their viability, its just they arent as popular as many other characters. Most people who main ic tend to actually place top 5 in each tourney surprisingly...
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
IT's not that there aren't many people playing them. If that were the case, they would only have been lowly ranked on the tournament ranking charts instead of both that and the tier list. Ranking charts are based on the number of Ice Climber wins while the tier list is based on how the character is potential is and what currently they are. The Ice Climbers have a horrible grab range, the worst I believe, and if you look at them without grabs, they are almost nothing against most of the tournament used characters. This is why they aren't that high in the list. Though their grab combos are insane, landing the grab has been the key issue as people have gotten so smart at punishing grabs missed and avoiding getting grabbed that CGing for most is more dangerous than playing normally.
The only reason why the Ice Climbers have placed in the top 5 is usually because it's either lain or Hylian (if he even uses them in tournaments anymore...). Other than a select few, most people can't even pull off a 0-death chain without messing up. If you put down the rate that you mess up in a probability and the damage you average out when you actually land the grab until you mess up or you kill and multiply that by the number of times you can land a grab on a smart player, you'll find that most don't do a higher damage rate on the opponent this way compared to the opponent's damage rate on the Ice Climbers.