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not me broman
this is gonna be one of those games where everyone plays like scum
I don't see why her giving out a town read is necessarily a bad thing, considering that there wasn't all that much for her to comment on when she made that post. Also, your accusation of her "more trying to justify a town-read on LDR rather than looking for scum" doesn't really hold up when one looks at what she has actually done. I mean, she attacked Mentos. An easy thing to do, but you gotta admit that it's something.
The WL question just doesn't seem like it could really produce anything tangible. Asking "why are you reacting way X when I know Y about you" only seems like it would get clarification on a simple matter that's not nearly in depth enough to really get a read out on someone.
Meh, maybe, but all of this is just WIFOM speculation. In the end I'm going to just plant my flag in the territory of "more likely town," if you have any objections then speak up now.
o_o Not that it really matters but that is what Circus and July have been referring to earlier.
Okay, I agree with you that WL is too "theatrical," for my liking. However apparently he's always like this, so as of now I'm actually going to take it as null.
Like, LDR threatened to shoot again toDay, and I was just saying that I think town would be better off if we only lynched toDay rather than shooting again (considering that LDR has the gun, of all people
). I honestly will never get the vets and their policies on why directing stuff is scummy myself.
Ok fair enough.
I'm glad that you like Circus to. ^^
It's true that attacking Ryker by itself isn't a safe move. However I think the "meatiest" point against you which you didn't really address was that earlier you didn't really place your flag anywhere. Instead you basically just said "Ryker could of shot EE because of X or Y reason, and either way I want him dead." So back THEN (not really now though) you basically didn't really pick rather you liked Ryker as either X or Y, and it was definitely too convenient for comfort that the implication of both of them were basically the same, thus safing you from having to make a hard decision.Mentos said:
I genuially don't know what to make of this. Marshy, you think Mentos is town, right? What do you make of this, and why do you have him as town?Mentos said:
You "disappeared" after Ryker was already attacking you IIRC, and plus people were on you to soon after. I don't know when you exactly went inactive (something that's impossible for me to know obviously), so I think it was a fair assumption for me to make that you were ducking out under pressure.Mentos said:
Well, it's clearly an overeager judo to what Swords said, but more than anything, I'm just shocked that Mentos admitted to disappearing at all. He makes it sound like it was actually a calculated move, rather than him just being busy or not checking the thread.
This I can live with. But if you would not be willing to be on the wagon of the player town collectively decides on, then that means you don't shoot anyone, not "shoot whoever you want." Agreed?
Even in a game this small? Just because he didn't say that he's a oneshot (and, indeed, is now claiming contrary to that idea), doesn't mean that's not what he is. It's interesting to me that you assumed multiple shots before LDR ever really said it himself.
Is this your main reason for your Mentoscum read?
Not at all what I thought you were saying. Thank you for clarifying.Like, LDR threatened to shoot again toDay, and I was just saying that I think town would be better off if we only lynched toDay rather than shooting again (considering that LDR has the gun, of all people
Considering how little I've done so far, the number of people saying they like me legitimately makes me uncomfortable.
*le sigh* 1: Maybe, but you do realize I make a comment like that EVERY time I come under attack for what boils down to the way I play right? It's usually more sarcastic "I'm tired of this," this game just already had me upset when I got there.
But it's not important to make sure you remember right? That's why I feel it's damning: you "corrected" it without making sure you were right. That means either you didn't care if you were remembering wrong, or you actively chose to lie about it, and either way you fed false information solely to try to up the odds of getting me lynched. Either way, if it was important to correct, as you agree you felt it was, that means it was important to get right, something you apparently did NOT care about as a townie should.
I am, but I don't play the buddying up game till I'm sure I can trust someone, and that'll take a while when it comes to you
If we both live long enough for me to trust you though, we'll tear some **** up!I always do anymore because I get called and almost lynched on it in every game I play and it has gotten really old XD This game it was amplified because I was already unhappy with the game, but yeah, it's not really that odd for me to get annoyed by it.
So, what hard decision? What specific alignment he was that made me want him lynched? Not to mention my usual safe playstyle, I think the fact that I wanted him lynched regardless made it clear that if it was a gambit I thought he was mafia rolefishing, and if not I would lean SK.
Yeah it was after our back and forth early in the day, but he wasn't so much attacking me at that point. After that there weren't very many posts, and none directed at me, prior to the last post I read until yesterday: the EE death scene.
Kk, so when you said early in the game that if the shot was real that you wanted LDR dead, you were saying so because you thought they were detrimental town/indie? I never got the feeling from your posts that you didn't think that LDR was scum if the shot went through purely because of mechanics, I thought it was because you assumed it was terrible scum play.
He doesn't have to come to the same conclusion I did, but I wanted to see his reaction to my statement, and I wanted to see him take harder stances. During the entire EE/Lunar Disco thing he was there but not really a factor, and that's something that bothered me, and I felt like his commentary was in such a way that it kept his reads on Lunar Disco and EE ambiguous except here. I feel like here, not even the part that relates to Inception but the last line that he hoped Lunar Disco was lying about the shot, assumes that EE will flip town; I would have been happy if EE flipped scum, even early in the Day it would have provided a lot of information through people's reactions. I realize the mafia shooting mafia/Inception mafia train of thought is a bit tenuous, and that's why I want to see his reaction to what I said and see where his head actually was when he made this statement.
Swords was one of the few, very few people up until recently who actually asked questions that tried to drive the conversation forward and away from all the shock and awe at Lunar Disco's shot. It seems like a lot of people were content to just comment on how they disapproved of what happened and sit back and let nothing new happen. I realize that Swords played a very good game in Liar Game and I am not going to let him waltz away as an obvtown read, but right now I'm content having him as a town-lean in a town populated by a lot of nulls.D'aw you remembered.
I don't see what Lunar Disco gains from shooting EE right out of the gate if they are mafia, taking a shot in the beginning of the Day is obviously going to garner a lot of attention and suspicion, and there's a good chance they could have been lynched toDay as a result, and they really don't seem to care about that. I don't think that as mafia there is any gain to shooting in the beginning of the Day, even to take out someone they find threatening, compared to later in the Day when a shot might garner less suspicion. It looks like a reckless move with little concern for overall repercussions, which is more likely of town. As for indie, I don't see any reason an indie who needs to survive would do something so reckless that's pretty much assured to get them lynched by LyLo, and as I said before Lunar Disco really doesn't seem to show concerns for self-preservation.
I wasn't particularly paranoid of Swords, I acknowledged that he is a good player as indie but that doesn't mean that I'm going to revoke my town lean on him, I'll just keep an eye on him like I would anyways because the game is still young.
I already addressed this earlier in response to Circus, but anyways it matters more to me how he responds to what I said and getting into his head of what he was actually thinking when he made that post.
I like you, you're pretty observant, and I can admit I might have gone about attacking Mentos' posts in a reachy way but I'm hoping that I got even more information about him from it.
Completely depends on the situation. Is there another candidate with significant support that I want to shoot? I'll shoot him.
1.) Self-meta!Slept on it and decided hey, I'm probly gonna be dead by the time LDR gets to take another shot, so I may as well just play it out for now. Numbered for easy response, I'll probly respond to other stuff too but if not, later I will.
*le sigh* 1: Maybe, but you do realize I make a comment like that EVERY time I come under attack for what boils down to the way I play right? It's usually more sarcastic "I'm tired of this," this game just already had me upset when I got there.
2: I'll get to the second quoted paragraph soon, but first things first, you say that's worthless? How so when July was saying she was thinking I might be scum for acting like I knew EE was town, and I was explaining why my thoughts that I was giving at the time wouldn't change regardless of his alignment. Not going to sit around and let it be portrayed that I know who's town when there's really nothing to base that off of.
As for the second paragraph, there IS a reason for it. You say it comes down to thoughts, and it does, however looking at the original post, you can see that she's saying that mafia dayvig is only possible if it kills mafia: something that works to allow her questioning of me and my motivations for how I was talking, but does not leave the possibility of you being mafia open, something which is pretty much universally agreed a no. I want her line of thought because she's using something to accuse me that, if making the assumption that there could be a mafia dayvig, there's no reason to write it off with the flip other than keeping to popular opinion.
3: There's a difference between how you play mafia and how you play a role, and you know what I meant. Honestly though, if not for the way the first shot destroyed my trust in you to handle your ability properly(or for the fact that I really lean towards thinking you're an SK) I have no problems with a vig shooting(although in a small game like this they should really hold out and not make many shots but *shrug*). However now that you're out, and your alignment is still questionable, I expect you to work with the town not all alone.
4: Not really, you shot EE pretty much for being the first to post, this isn't a big game where there's a lot of room for error, definitely not the kinda game where you do that kind of thing because it can screw town over really quick.
5: First of all, I was responding to posts attacking me for what happened at that point in the game, so of course my focus is on that. Secondly, I'm willing to "write off a mislynch" because I'm leaning toward you being an SK and I'm willing to risk it to lynch someone I don't think is town. If you are I don't think it hurts us too much, but those kinda comments are there because I don't think that's the case, but I'm willing to risk it. That's why it's I don't care IF, not I don't care THAT.
6: I probly will, but in the meantime, no thanks.
7: Nope, for your talk of me not taking more recent posts into account, I'm more straightforward because of your consistent "I'll do what I want" attitude. Otherwise I'd be sticking with "get rid of you before LYLO but not immediately." If you were going to cooperate I wouldn't be pushing so much that I want you dead right now.
8: Missing the point level: epic. If you had even waited till near the end of D1 for that shot, we woulda had stuff to draw on that coulda been quite helpful. My point was that you take out a player with a good record of helping town if he's town before there's anything to take from him. It's not just about the fact of taking him out, it's the fact of doing so before it can give us anything from him that makes it lose-lose in my eyes.
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But it's not important to make sure you remember right? That's why I feel it's damning: you "corrected" it without making sure you were right. That means either you didn't care if you were remembering wrong, or you actively chose to lie about it, and either way you fed false information solely to try to up the odds of getting me lynched. Either way, if it was important to correct, as you agree you felt it was, that means it was important to get right, something you apparently did NOT care about as a townie should.
10. Yep, stupidity is the only reason someone would take that shot.
11. I have been, you just choose to assume I haven't. Since the shot you've continued being cocky, given me no reason to lean town instead of SK as I have, and since you say unless you agree you won't do what town wants, my feeling of "doesn't have to die right away" is gone. Make me think you're town and agree to make yourself trustworthy, and I'll stop wanting you dead today.(note: your "cutting a deal" that you mentioned to Kevin HAS helped the cause of that)
I am, but I don't play the buddying up game till I'm sure I can trust someone, and that'll take a while when it comes to you
I always do anymore because I get called and almost lynched on it in every game I play and it has gotten really old XD This game it was amplified because I was already unhappy with the game, but yeah, it's not really that odd for me to get annoyed by it.
So, what hard decision? What specific alignment he was that made me want him lynched? Not to mention my usual safe playstyle, I think the fact that I wanted him lynched regardless made it clear that if it was a gambit I thought he was mafia rolefishing, and if not I would lean SK.
Yeah it was after our back and forth early in the day, but he wasn't so much attacking me at that point. After that there weren't very many posts, and none directed at me, prior to the last post I read until yesterday: the EE death scene.
@J: please please please never use mentoscum again, stick with scumtos or something... That just doesn't stack well with a name that ends in s normally >_> <_< >_> XDD
Phew, that was a way longer post than I initially planned on, but oh well.(also, took me forever XDD)
I felt it was misplaced. He had this 'short list' of people he wanted to live, and then started a re-read and jumbled that all up. It felt forced. Like he was just hopping on because it was the popular thing to do. Basically, his re-read just seemed opportunistic.
This is wifom. Scum can do the same. Scum know that town are reckless, so he could do this as scum/indy to garner attention and a clear. What did you think of his actions in thread?
Can you go into why you doubt this, in the underlined?
This seems overplayed.
Again, seems overplayed. I didn't like it either, it was very stupid. But you didn't really look into it.
I don't like the Underlined. Why are you summarizing other people's thoughts on Mentos and LDR? I also don't like the bold, I don't see any reason for you to point that out without a flip. It seems you are just trying to put as much content as you can to appease town.
LDR, I don't see how this question helps you find scum. Why did you ask WL this?
This post throws up flags for me. WL came out yelling and being very mad at LDR for shooting EE like that. Yet he didn't even out of the gate try to determine if LDR was town/scum/indie. He's using the role to stay from LDR and I don't like that. (July is doing the same) He is fence sitting with his opinion, so much so LDR has to poke it out of him.
This post here was weird. I don't see why he would want to have July on a 'don't care if she dies list'. He didn't really give a reason and when asked just clarified that she wasn't on the 'stay alive' list.
Underlined, how exactly has he caught your attention?
Can you go further into this? Also what do you think of his points on you, July?
I was engaging with those that stood out to me. I first had to get over LDR (Because I can't get any reads without first untangling the roots of LDR) and I came to the conclusion I don't like him. But I'd put him on the backburner and look for other scum. I was also waiting for you to post before I gave any opinions of you.
I do. WL, and then you. LDR is null leaning scum but he is on the back burner for now.
I didn't see it either. Nothing stood out from you.
Underlined, what do you mean? (Are you saying that her attack was weak but still something? [An excuse])
Underlined, you say 'apparently'. Does this mean you didn't know this? Where exactly did you learn he was this way? What did you think of his list of people he wanted to live? (And him mentioning July)
What is your purpose in stating this?
You asked who?
I still want to know this quote was about
Nope, Ran's not scum.
With WL, I actually was thinking the EXACT same thing as what you just said. I just wanted to hear your and Ryker's opinion first without saying it outloud (and thus potentially corrupting your opinions).
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No. J attacked July for "not really scumhunting," and I was defending July from J's attack (which I didn't like). I was simply telling J that July DID attack Mentos beforehand (something J didn't mention in his attack on July), and WHILE the attack wasn't original (LDR had already started it), it still counted as "scumhunting."
Correct, I didn't know that he was always "theatrical." If you read back in the thread, you would see that I learned that he was "always" like that from Circus and LDR.
J earlier was saying that "anyone could simply ask questions and gain townie points," which while true, seemed odd to me, as at the very least it would be better for someone to at LEAST do that considering that there isn't anything else anyone could do so early on in the game.
Exactly. Underlined, I do. I said this (the re-iteration). I said that it seemed like he did that re-read just to vote mentos, because he originally stated he had no qualms with anyone.
I agree she can be at times, but not this time. I am sure if she really believed in her reads she'd put a little more effort into elaborating on the reasons leading to them.With July, well that one's a bit tougher to crack, because the way she always presents stuff is in a very analytical form which makes her hard to read. I looked at here read list, and while some of our reads clash, is not nearly enough to get up and arms about. She's actively presenting reads which I like, but I don't really feel like she's presenting enough "new" stuff besides a town lean on me and a scum lean on Ran (for a weird reason to. "I don't know where Ran's head is at, and thus he's scummy for it?" <- Why is this scummy?). Her not presenting new stuff isn't necessarily "scummy" in itself, it's just not townie. I DID like her catch on Mentos earlier; I see where she was coming from there and such a catch must of involved some deep thought of the situation (or a bus, either one is possible
So really she's null, but if I had to pick a side I'll say she's slightly more town than scum. Just slightly though.
No it wouldn't. I have played with him before and know how he reacts. This seemed way too over the top and it didn't really have the conclusion one would have after reacting in that way. Even if the reaction was null him not having a solid opinion on LDR or trying to garner one makes it out of place. Get me?
First paragraph made me think you were on the fence regarding LDR.