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[Kite0692]

Ok I know gordo go through it, but you know it is not 100% guaranteed (gettin gordo). Side smash is too slow. I havent tried downsmash yet. Backair can only break the nado if it hits above or if it hits kind of like the last part of the hitbox. Pivot grab can work but its hard to do it on the nado :/. Side tilt can only break it on the very beginning of the nado. Utilt is the only move that works fine but not always you can hit it, sometimes it just stops tornado. Im just thinkin if there´s a way to deal with the tornado that makes Mk not use the tornado so much often, but whatever. This matchup is silly >.< I guess the best you can do here its just Down throw - read - downthrow/backthrow and so, and just be unpredictable :/

Ok ok What about marth?

 

[Lovecraft]

Marth can be chain grabbed obviously, but he has the tools to get out of it in a pinch if you mess up on your timing. One common mistake is to keep going for the grab and get punished by a fair or nair. Side tilt/Waddle toss to space, don't let him get in on you. He is gimpable with WoP and his horizontal recovery distance isn't amazing if he is below the stage. I could be wrong but I believe we are one of Marth's worst matchups.

On the topic of tornado, Seibrik made a complete list of what goes through tornado in the ol Meta Knight Matchup thread:

Suck from the top
You can pivot grab it
You can grab it when it first starts
All of your smashes will
Gordo will
F-tilt will cancel it when it first starts
Utilt will flat out beat it unless they space it
D-tilt will beat it
Fair from the top will
Dairing from the top onto the middle of it
Bair from the top will
JET HAMMER BEATS THE TORNADO
Nair from the top onto the middle will

Hope this helped.

 

[dean.]

I find dair very hard to space in order to beat Mach Tornado... I often hit the hitboxes and end up clanking then getting hit. Bair works fine though, as does Inhale. I'll try nair as well.
I wish bair worked from the side ;~;
Utilt works decently... it's more reliable than our other attacks but still hard to hit with. I like dtilt as well but spacing is tight.

The Marth matchup... I'm not that good at it, but I'd recommend just to try and keep it simple with ftilt to disrupt spacing, bair as an anti-air and grabs to punish. Chaingrabs give us strong stage positioning advantage and damage, so not messing them up is important (Marth is poor on the ledge). If he doesn't mess up his DI though, he's not that easy to gimp... he's pretty hard to bair if he recovers really low.
King Dedede is likely one of Marths worst matchups, along with Meta Knight and Diddy Kong.

 

[drutr]

How can DDD escape from the tornado?

 

[Lovecraft]

@Drutr:
Ounce your in it, it's hard, all you can do is SDI upwards.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

You can't actually SDI out of it, you just have to DI it. Also if they suck you in at the right part of the tornado and keep you there while moving, you will often times not be able to escape.

 

[BadKarma]

I saw a video of atomsk do a up smash in the middle of a chain grab to get a kill. does anybody know how to do it exactly? is it just frame perfect buffering or something?

 

[7Claus]

I saw a video of atomsk do a up smash in the middle of a chain grab to get a kill. does anybody know how to do it exactly? is it just frame perfect buffering or something?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=291550

 

[BadKarma]

awesome thanks :D

 

[Supreme Dirt]

**** NADO.

It is just so retardedly frustrating to deal with. Especially if the MK knows how to AC it.

I think I'm going to just go Sheik against MK. At least it's not just one move that beats me. :/

It's also pretty hard to beat Nado when it's being abused properly with UAir with you in the air, out of jumps, on Smashville.

 

[Kite0692]

Marth is not so hard to gimp. Bair > every single thing he has to recover. Just go for the bair, once they get gimped several times they tempt to vary the Up-b using it earlier.

 

[IceDX]

what are the 3 best 2ndarys for a ddd main?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301980

Your answer will be in my thread.

 

[allshort17]

I don't know if this is a wifi thing only but sometimes after i dair i jump again and attack and i get a super jump like thing. Why is that?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Get a replay of it the next time it happens.

 

[allshort17]

Get a replay of it the next time it happens.

I don't know how to get replays off sd cards and i don't have recording equipment.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

They're stored in the folder private/wii/app/rsbe/rp on the SD card.

If it was the most recent one you saved, it'll be the one with the most recent "date created".

 

[7Claus]

I don't know if this is a wifi thing only but sometimes after i dair i jump again and attack and i get a super jump like thing. Why is that?

Could be a footstool.

 

[Forever Forgotten]

For some reason, when chainbrabbing DK, he keeps escaping from my grab range. I can do a walking chaingrab, and an infinite against a wall, but a standing chaingrab is what I'm having trouble with. It might be the timing, but I doubt it because I can shieldgrab>D-Throw without the shielding or grabbing animation, normally. Why is that? Is there any help you could offer?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

You have to pummel at least once every 5 grabs when you standing infinite or Down throw gets too stales and sends them on a trajectory that frankly..makes no sense..but prevents a regrab.

 

[Tmacc]

You dont have to pummel for DK's infinite, only the others, I believe.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I thought it was for everyone but I could be wrong.

Also lol at your random appearance. Have you come back to the good guys side?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Forever Forgotten... by any chance are you naming yourself after a certain Zelda fanfic/rp I may have helped with in its early days, or is it just an odd coincidence.

Also you're just not buffering it. To buffer a grab you have to have released the grab button before the previous move ends, or you just shield instead.

 

[BadKarma]

how does atomsk chain grab so quick? it seems like he gets more grabs in his chain grab. is he using that skid shield grab technique or something else?
heres a video of him chaingrabing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INMEUmkAE4U&feature=related

3:25 is where he gets in a solid chain grab.

 

[7Claus]

It's a normal dashgrab CG. He's just buffering it and not pummeling, so he doesn't slide in between grabs.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Or my preferred explanation. Atomsk is a wizard.

 

[Forever Forgotten]

Actually, I think Vayseth said that DK's infinite CG ha something to do with the timing of the re-grab in relation to the end of the throw, but that might not be true. Thanks for the help anyway.

Oh, and I didn't even realize "Forever Forgotten" was the name of something else, so my name being that is purely a coincidence.

 

[allshort17]

Get a replay of it the next time it happens.

I didn't get me doing it but here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdpDOB3OFc&feature=related

Go to 2:06

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Or my preferred explanation. Atomsk is a wizard.

Honestly....I'm fine with this explanation.

 

[BadKarma]

When I'm fighting against marth I do very well but when I get sent off the ledge I take a lot of damage =\. Is there any good methods of getting back on the stage when fighting marth?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

If you suicide it's easy!

Seriously, getting back onstage against Marth is REALLY hard. There's no best way to do it.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I'll post about this in like an hour. Trying to finish up my new project..its another lengthy one.

 

[allshort17]

Why don't I see people trying the wall Dthrow infinite on the unchainable 12? It seems solid to me if you set it up right but just tell me the flaws in it.

Edit: I mean doing a Dthrow off the wall into a jab lock.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

They can tech it. Also our jab is FRAME 12.

 

[allshort17]

They can tech it. Also our jab is FRAME 12.

If we read the tech we can Jab during the tech animation or grab to reset the situation.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Fair enough.

I just don't like bothering with a jablock because it's so slow.

 

[allshort17]

I tried to set it up today and i failed terribly.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Its not worth it.

Also does anyone have any other questions, or need anything critiqued? I'll be doing work here the next few days so I'll be on here a lot...not like Im not already though lol

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

If opponents miss a tech, can Dedede do a jab (though I think it takes two for some odd reason) to get a force wakeup?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Well from normal means you cant. The opponent will be able to react before you ever reach them from a down-throw and then Jab is frame 12. You have to hit them as they flop on the ground to cause any sort of forced wake up animation. Off a wall doesn't work because if they bounce off the wall and you jab them, they just go into hit stun and they land normally. We dont have any real way of setting this up as far as I know.