Heavy Brawl = Melee?

[AsaLostar]

As many of us know, there are many veterans among the Smash Bros. community that prefer Melee over Brawl. The primary reason for this is because the overall feel of the game is VERY different. I personally like both games equally, but I am aware that both games have a lot of differences in the mechanics.

Take Captain Falcon for example. Because of the way the gravity of Brawl is, Captain Falcon's aerial combos are a lot less effective to pull off. A short-hopped foward-air is more difficult to time because of the increased air time all characters received by default.

Despite all this, one day I decided to try the 'heavy match' option in Special Brawl to find out that in several ways, setting the game up this way puts the game physics closer to what Melee was. Of course it doesn't make the game EXACTLY like Melee, but let's just say after setting Brawl to heavy, it became much more difficult defeating a level 9 Captain Falcon without any items. The CPU will still blunder from time-to-time as it does not seem to adjust to the increased gravity in terms of recovery, but his performance on stage combat improved to the point where he's landing 'knees of justice' left and right! If you haven't tried it before, please do and you might see what I mean.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

No. It isn't Melee.

However I do enjoy Special Brawl on occasion. Nothing quite like Heavy Metal Giant Brawl with 4 Bowsers on Jungle Japes.

 

[link2702]

heavy brawl isn't evne close to melee

all it does is make everyone heavier

just like fast brawl just makes everyone faster


it doesn't change the physics to be like melees

it doesn't change the hitstun to be like melee's

it doesn't change ANYTHING that would make it feel like melee, all it does is make things feel like a faster ver. of brawl with heavy characters


it really does nothing to make things feel like melee's gameplay....

 

[tera twin]

I remember when Brawl first came out and people were talking about using certain settings in the game to make it more like Melee. Heavy mode was one of them.

 

[SuperMetroid44]

Didn't really notice, it doesn't really feel like Melee to me. I don't really play Special Brawl anyway, not a lot of interesting modes to me.

 

[Sunnysunny]

I disagree about the special modes not being interested.

Dedede on giant mode is hilarious. C:

 

[Beninator]

I do a Heavy Fast Brawl, with damage ratio around 1.4.

It's close to Melee.

 

[SpeedyJ]

Not even close. Where are the AT's and why is tripping still here! Lol

 

[ryuu seika]

Heavy Brawl does not equal Melee but it is a lot better than normal Brawl.

 

[eschemat]

why don't you just play melee instead...?

 

[MonkUnit]

Heavy brawl is no where near close to melee.

It doesn't have things like Fox/falco having a jump cancel on their shines.
Falco having "fox's shine"
Ganon's melee sideB
and other things like those

it also doesnt have L canceling, wavedashing, wavelanding, powershield reflect, etc.

lol


and to top it all off. NO PICHU ;~;

 

[ryuu seika]

Other than no Pichu, those all seem like good things to me. I still prefer Melee though.

 

[MonkUnit]

Other than no Pichu, those all seem like good things to me. I still prefer Melee though.

"good things to me" does that mean that it is good that these things AREN'T in brawl?

 

[ryuu seika]

does that mean that it is good that these things AREN'T in brawl?

In my view, yes. I've never cared much for your so called "advanced techniques" and preferred to be good at the basics.

 

[Forgotten Soul]

I prefer to do Stamina Brawls, I don't really care about making brawl close to melee so I just have fun with the game, as should the rest of you, If you wanna play melee, play it.

 

[ryuu seika]

The point is, I actually quite like Brawl with a decent fall speed. Playing something different for a change is fun.

 

[Ghostbone]

I prefer to do Stamina Brawls, I don't really care about making brawl close to melee so I just have fun with the game, as should the rest of you, If you wanna play melee, play it.

Who are you to tell others what they should or shouldn't do with their game? lol

 

[Forgotten Soul]

Who are you to tell others what they should or shouldn't do with their game? lol

damn, forgot to add IMO or something

 

[SuperMetroid44]

Who are you to tell others what they should or shouldn't do with their game? lol

I think he was just saying to have fun with your game. But I guess that's still valid.

 

[justrk86]

The point is, I actually quite like Brawl with a decent fall speed. Playing something different for a change is fun.

...and that's basically how I feel. It's a slightly different game within a game, and i really enjoy it. Second best Special brawl mode after Fast Brawl IMO.

 

[Jonas]

If you want something "close to Melee," play Melee

Spoiler

or Project M

 

[ryuu seika]

What if I want something "close to Melee" but also want something that isn't Melee and doesn't involve hacking my Wii?

 

[Ghostbone]

What if I want something "close to Melee" but also want something that isn't Melee and doesn't involve hacking my Wii?

Then you're out of luck

And you don't have to hack your wii for Project M but meh.

 

[cHp]

What if I want something "close to Melee" but also want something that isn't Melee and doesn't involve hacking my Wii?

Fast Heavy Brawl

 

[Jonas]

What if I want something "close to Melee" but also want something that isn't Melee and doesn't involve hacking my Wii?

Then I guess you're hard to please.
Besides, I'm not going to say you're a dumba** for playing heavy/fast Brawl, or that you absolutely shouldn't do it. I just don't think it's anything like Melee at all.

Spoiler

and Project M does not involve hacking your Wii

 

[ryuu seika]

Then I guess you're hard to please.

Yeah, I guess I am .

Project M does not involve hacking your Wii

Hack, mod or custom firmware, it's all the same thing really.

 

[MonkUnit]

stack smash isn't modding your wii or installing anything like Gecko OS

simply just using a loophole in the stage builder loading mechanic

 

[ryuu seika]

Oh, ok. The reading I did suggested that it was simply a way to install custom firmware.
Still, I've yet to find anything that suggests it's possible on a european wii.

 

[MonkUnit]

PAL stack smash

 

[ryuu seika]

Sweet! Now what can I do with this?

 

[Sephy95]

They could've kept Mewtwo.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

It's just weight. IT'S NOT MELEE!

 

[WumpaWolfy]

I do a Heavy Fast Brawl, with damage ratio around 1.4.

It's close to Melee.

I tried brawl with these settings and it wasn't too bad though throws are way too OP. I was killing Ike with Fox's back throw at around 20% lol

 

[CaptainFalcon9000]

it´s not melee, yet it´s better than normal brawl and captain falcon could not be anymore nerfen in brawl........also put the damage ratio to 1.5 and it´s a little closer to be like melee

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

I'm not the kind of person to care about "Advanced Tactics" used in Melee's metagame either. The main element of my strategy is chasing my opponents and hunting them down. I don't like to resort to camping or turreting. Also, I use more Standard Attacks and Special Moves ("Spells") and less grabbing/throwing ("Judo").

On the topic of whether or not Fast or Heavy Brawl makes it like Melee, I don't believe it, but why should I care if the physics can't be like Melee?

And I'll admit Captain Falcon isn't as powerful in Brawl, but I can still play as him well enough.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Then I guess you're hard to please.
Besides, I'm not going to say you're a dumba** for playing heavy/fast Brawl, or that you absolutely shouldn't do it. I just don't think it's anything like Melee at all.

Spoiler

and Project M does not involve hacking your Wii

I wouldn't go so far as to call this mode FAIL, and yes I know this Heavy/Fast Brawl isn't quite like Melee due to the lack of advanced mechanics, but I will say that at the very least is just as fun, and that's quite a statement for Simone who preferrs Melee, but I'm not gonna get into that....

 

[Jonas]

There's more to Melee than the "advanced techs." Just look at how much work the Project M team have to put into Brawl to make it resemble Melee. The physics are totally different. Heavy Brawl is just Brawl physics, but with more gravity. Personally, I think it feels even worse than regular Brawl.

 

[Sean²]

Heavy Brawl is nothing but infinites galore.