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HELP against excuses!!!

bottles vs mumbo

Smash Cadet
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Apr 27, 2008
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in a rolled up newspaper by the side of the road
my brother plays smash with me, and he is a noob. he constantly gives me excuses and gets annoyed. (i will get back to this)

when we were younger he was alot better than me and he got used to winning. now that we are older (and not playing n64) he loses to me constantly. This is because when i got older i learned how to play properly, using advanced tecniques, etc. he has stuck to his old habits, and refuses to learn (like when he askes me "HOW DID YOU DO THAT???" and i try and explain about chaingrabbing, etc. he gets frustrated that he cannot do it the first time and gives up)

because he doesn't like to lose he refuses to play me unless we do something like pictochat with items (only pokeballs, hammers, etc) on very high.

when i convince him to play normally (no items, good maps like fd, smashville battlefield) he gets owned. i need help on what to say against the following. please remember that if i get him angry then he will quit ... and probably hit me(older brother)

these are examples of what he says and does. the bold ones are the most common so please answer these if not any

1) it;s not fun without items. skill is no fun
2)________ is an unfair move/character
3) this map sucks (he wants to do warioware)
4) how did you do that? it's unfair that u can do that and i cant
5) im really tired
6) the only reason you won was because i killed myself. you didn;t play better
7) (when i am about to kill him he says:) my controller just screwed up. *then he resets the game*

even if i sit there and dont respond then he still gets angry

i know there have been posts like this, but ussualy the answers i see are like (in responce to my first question) 1) thats because you need items because you have no skill

i cant say this without getting him angry PLEASE HELP

btw my bro is not some anger managment reject or anything, this is him at his worst
 

Rapid_Assassin

Smash Master
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Pictochat is a good level.

Play there with pokeballs, assist trophies, and dragoon parts on high. When he's had enough screwing around and want something a little more serious, maybe you can convince him to do Pictochat without the instant death items.

You could find someone new to play at a tournament. Tournament players will play you without items, but they might bring you to Pictochat if you beat them... ;)
 

PK-ow!

Smash Lord
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Mar 28, 2008
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these are examples of what he says and does. the bold ones are the most common so please answer these if not any

1) it;s not fun without items. skill is no fun
2)________ is an unfair move/character
3) this map sucks (he wants to do warioware)
4) how did you do that? it's unfair that u can do that and i cant
5) im really tired
6) the only reason you won was because i killed myself. you didn;t play better
7) (when i am about to kill him he says:) my controller just screwed up. *then he resets the game*

even if i sit there and dont respond then he still gets angry

i know there have been posts like this, but ussualy the answers i see are like (in responce to my first question) 1) thats because you need items because you have no skill

i cant say this without getting him angry PLEASE HELP
... this is highly intriguing. He used to beat you, now it's clear he's a scrub.
... how young were you?!?!?

tw my bro is not some anger managment reject or anything, this is him at his worst
No really, this looks pretty serious. No one should get this upset. Dealing with this (as something between you and him, and him with himself) is far more important than making sense of how you and him relate to the game, right now.

Possibly related note, violence is wrong. He has no right to hit you (in any way that you do not unambiguously call playful, which is not the case since you fear it). I recognize I may be entering into some realm of a family dynamic , but I cannot be silent on this. It's wrong and if you want it to stop, it should stop and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

@Rapid_Assassin: Please recognize the gravity of what bottles vs mumbo has disclosed to us, and don't make silly posts on this.

Now if this is a joke thread then dangit, I'm too credulous of grave posts to detect sarcasm.... and bad joke is baaaad.
 

dr0go

Smash Apprentice
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Mar 24, 2008
Messages
110
Location
san diego, california
beat him under his conditions and with the same character he is using.try to leave no excuses left.if he says the controler doesnt work tell him to trade controllers with you.if he says that one doesnt work get a new one and let him use it.everytime he "KILLS HIMSELF" kill yourself to0.beat him without advance techniques.

or easy way out, let yourself lose or dont play with him

PS:100th post!!!
 

zamz

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Apr 30, 2008
Messages
291
Tell him to quit acting like a 10 year old and relax a little. Don't beat the absolute snot out of your brother, just play casually. Have fun with it.

There's no sense playing competitively if you know he can't compete. Obviously don't throw any games and don't 'let him win', play decently well. But have fun. You don't have to make playing SSBB a hassle. Don't make it a chore or painful. I can almost imagine you beating him with 5 stocks left and then saying: "I OWNED YOU!"...and I can hardly wonder why he doesn't want to play with you.

Instead, pretend it is a video game and enjoy it.
 

LinkSpecialist

Smash Ace
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May 25, 2007
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522
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NJ of all places.
NNID
Kintuse
I have the same problem. Don't force him to learn anything. Let him win some matches (so he can grow some respect for himself) and ...how old are you two? For a brother to be punching the other he must be at least 8-15. I dunno. Eh, he'll grow up eventually, but thats not helpful is it? I consider myself lucky. My bro mains Falco, so I get good training fighting him. He NEVER complains anymore. Unless he loses a lot, than he says he hungry and we have to stop playing.
 

Mysteryfox1

Smash Ace
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May 4, 2007
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693
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The Netherlands, Noord-Brabant, Aarle Rixtel
my brother is exactly the same really exactly if I don't pick random (he still gets pist if it's a stage like FD) or hyrule temple he gets pist I've to set pokeballs on ohterwise he can't win (he still doesn't win) and when I spiked him one time he got really angry saying that that was unfair because he was at such a low percent even if he's in a really good mood in the beginning he always gets pist my solution: don't play with your brother anymore. btw I'm 13 and my brother is 17 and he resets the match all the time too
 

bottles vs mumbo

Smash Cadet
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Apr 27, 2008
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in a rolled up newspaper by the side of the road
thanks guys. now to respond to your comments

1)" ... this is highly intriguing. He used to beat you, now it's clear he's a scrub.
... how young were you?!?!?"
answer: just a little kid then. the age difference between a 10 and a 13 year old makes more difference than a 15 and 18 year old

2)
"No really, this looks pretty serious. No one should get this upset. Dealing with this (as something between you and him, and him with himself) is far more important than making sense of how you and him relate to the game, right now.

Possibly related note, violence is wrong. He has no right to hit you (in any way that you do not unambiguously call playful, which is not the case since you fear it). I recognize I may be entering into some realm of a family dynamic , but I cannot be silent on this. It's wrong and if you want it to stop, it should stop and don't let anyone tell you otherwise."
answer: i pissed myself when i read this. normally its just things like my controller screw up. he only gets really angry when, as zams said: "ican almost imagine you beating him with 5 stocks left and then saying: "I OWNED YOU!"...and I can hardly wonder why he doesn't want to play with you." ye well when i keep getting told excuses and i say something smartass.

as for the violence.. im pretty sure you dont have a older brother. it;s not like its an adult hitting me. he is my brother. normal for brothers. he doesn;t bash me or anything...and i hit him back to...just that he ussualy wins the fight. we normally are good friends. i think you took it the wrong way... really took it the wrong way.

Kill him, and hide his body in your trunk.

I'm serious.
i would but i dont own a car (under 18) and my basement is full with the other bodies
 

Hizkit

Smash Apprentice
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He's your brother: slap him around the ****ing face and scream "L2P" in his ear.
 

Pi

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=0TRs2KZTDZU

If he's a scrub playing with scrub tactics you aren't really going to get any better facing him anyway. And if he's going to be immature and closed minded there isn't much you can do any more since he won't listen to you.

Conclusion? Pimp slap him into submission.


But fo rizzle.

1) it;s not fun without items. skill is no fun Respond 'It is if you have some'
2)________ is an unfair move/character - Respond 'It's not banned from tourneys'
3) this map sucks (he wants to do warioware) Alternate maps with him, play 1 map he wants 1 map you want
4) how did you do that? it's unfair that u can do that and i cant -Respond 'I could show you how if you want'
5) im really tired - Respond 'Me too, hit start'
6) the only reason you won was because i killed myself. you didn;t play better Respond - 'How is it my fault you killed yourself'
7) (when i am about to kill him he says:) my controller just screwed up. *then he resets the game* - For this you really do need to pimp slap him, I hate when people do that.
 

Kirye

Smash Ace
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Nov 16, 2006
Messages
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Location
San Diego, California.
You didn't actually have to PM me to tell me you responded. XD I'm just playing around, I don't expect you to kill him.

Maybe just set your cell phone to stun and shock him a bit.
 
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