Help me win a national (I really need the G&W community)

[Dakpo]

So I have low tier city 2 this saturday and sunday. It's going to be a tough tourney with some really big names coming (Sethhhhhllllon and Meow3queen ect..) ; however, there is no one coming that I can't beat, or haven't already beaten in the past.

What I need from you guys: I'm going to post some videos of my hardest opponents here. I really need some constructive criticism BEFORE Saturday. I would advise to not use user names so they can't name search into this thread and read your wonderful advice.

Tier 1 threats: The man himself Sathlooon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWPUFmil2QI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tz6YjtOY8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MdAjDcgNRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z80bJLDq6VM

Tier 2 Threats: Lanchibles/Aweeestin/Oeracl

Lanchibles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THUq6JwQ2z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO6TMRP50OI

Aweeestin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Rn_kLEvVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_70j4hb641c

Oeracle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4h7mUIiM1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QISe7eHpb7M

Tier 3 Threat Infanity

infanity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EDl2FPbuPQ

Strong boob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze1tOHcRRT0

 

[Soft Serve]

I realize this is specifically a thread for feedback for the Matches you've played vs them, but I'm just going to throw it out that you should look out for HFNoen and Salt9 because they are entering as well. You could definetly cheeze salt9 because he gets frustrated with MU's he doesn't know yet, but Noen was a GnW main before lucas became a spacie so he probably will know how to prepare for the MU.

I'd comment on the matches but my GnW is **** lol. Good luck this weekend.

 

[Dakpo]

thanks, but Neeeon has a lot to prove to me. I wasn't extremely impressed when we played at apex. same for K8

 

[Juushichi]

Dakpotato, bother the **** out of me on Friday pls.

I might be able to help some tonight, but full day of work on Thurs.

 

[Nephiros]

Wish I could help, but dunno most of those MUs + my playstyle is way too dumb to give tips ~w~

So yeah DISCLAIMER MOST OF THIS MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY BE SUPER USEFUL/HAVE CONTRADICTIONS/HORRIBLY WRITTEN

I guess only stuff I can say is random info against Ness from playing Tetraflora's a bunch. Be very careful throwing out bacon when he's in the air with potential pkfire positioning since if it trades you're in for a bad time. Spacing bairs work pretty well too and you gotta be on point with combos without being greedy cause Ness dair is crazy fast and spooky. Ness is surprisingly heavy for his size tho and G&W can generally cover a lot of his recovery options (nair/fair/dair can even beat PKT2 cleanly I'm pretty sure, if you hit on the second half + space well).

Whenever you have Ness above you, you should be making him pay dearly. Ness has very little solid options to cover himself coming down and his fallspeed isn't crazy, he has a very slow doublejump too and cancelling it to mix stuff up when coming down is generally not that great for him + big commitment if he gets punished. So other than really janky/silly stuff, he has dair, pk fire or fair/bair. Dair is quick, but gnw's uair is better. For that reason alone, I generally prefer staying directly under Ness since challenging his dair is much easier to me than challenging pk fire. Try not to up-b him at a distance if he has good reactions though, that won't beat dair like uair will owo

Spamming a bunch of up-angled bacon if he's high up can put him in a bad spot and you can sometimes bait pk fires by doing b-reverse bacons right after getting into pk fire range. Whenever you can combo into up-b, do it as LATE AS POSSIBLE This is to make it easier/safer to followup with nair/fair, otherwise Ness might be able to squeeze a dair in.

For the ground game, it's much trickier. Ness' dashdance is scary, especially mixed with djc bairs/fairs. Despite not being super fast, he can bait and punish a lot of stuff with his dashdance since he's small and seems to angle himself forward on his dash startups, which can avoid G&W's aerials and lead into a grab for ness or bair. You want to be very safe or confident in your reading when approaching with aerials, unless you have bacon hidden missile assist. Feel free to overshoot your aerials or try tomahawks if Ness player is relying on dashdance/bairs a lot (still gotta be careful about bair, it can hit you first if you try to overshoot especially with fair)

Mixups with dacus (especially if you have bacon out) work pretty damn good on Ness and generally puts you in a advantageous position even if he blocks it. Ness can hit you first if he expects it (jab/dtilt/ftilt or even fsmash/bair on a read or good reactions) but asides from that his dash attack/grounded pk fire is the only stuff that would really prevent that. If it hits, destruction should ensue - if it doesn't kill, it'll send Ness right where he does not want to be and even let you combo at low%.

If you have an opening/followup opportunity, unless you're SUPER confident you can kill Ness with fair/nair right away or get a free edgeguard, you should prioritize going for a uair if possible - leads into more%/kill/vulnerable position for Ness much more reliably IMO. At worst, reset to neutral with Ness vertical to you which is good, VS fair/nair which at worst resets to neutral with Ness horizontal to you which is BAAAAAD

quick edit: srsly uair whenever in range with ness open if he's above you, because unlike most characters he cant even bait it with a doublejump since his is way too slow

Hopefully some of that made sense \;w;/

 

[Strong Badam]

You should definitely not use Chef. Ever.

Yup.

 

[Dakpo]

Welp, its the night before the national and only 1 person has been able to help me. Thanks @ Nephiros
TBH I'm pretty disappointed with the GnW community at this point. Ill remember this when anyone asks for my help >__> (ill still help out of course)

 

[Soft Serve]

Hit them more and don't get hit back.

From the videos I watched, Roy looks like an awful MU. I think It's really vital to make every conversion count and not drop edgeguards. thats obscenely hard vs someone like Sathlon who uses every possible part of his recovery to the fullest, maybe try going out as far as possible and forcing jump/hasty recoveries. On stage edge guards vs Roy is really hard because (iirc?) his up-b hitboxes are un-ccable. Coming down from above/behind him with an aerial could be very useful i think, maybe getting a stage spike or catching him during the hang if he didn't sweetspot. [Again though, Sathlon doesn't really miss ledge techs from the matches i've seen him play]

Good luck though, after AZ/Kaos you're on my order for people to cheer for in the stream chat.

 

[Metmetm3t]

Sorry bro, I tried to find time, but I've been working 40 hours this week. At any rate I've seen basically all your stuff a few times and I can tell you there probably isn't some magic bullet that's going to help you win against Sethlon. You have solid gameplay and all of your matches go really close. If there is one thing I would ask is that you keep your combos safe, you can't afford to eat a Sethlon punish for trying to squeeze out unnecessary damage. Also focus in on baiting out an early uppercut from him. We know he's going to use the disjoint on up-B to try and sneak on the ledge, but you could probably get some mileage out of sidestepping it or FF > DJ > AD.

<3 I'll be rooting for you the whole way.

 

[Sethlon]

I would advise to not use user names so they can't name search into this thread and read your wonderful advice.

Lolz
10GLWithThats

 

[Dakpo]

Lolz
10GLWithThats

Some people didn't read the thread all the way through T__T oh well.
thanks for the advice guys, wish me luck!

 

[Italia06823834]

Welp, its the night before the national and only 1 person has been able to help me)

Sorry, I was on vacation all week with no internet and now it's Saturday and too late. Wish I could've given some input, even if I may not be very good

I hope you win anyway!

Also, for anyone who comes along, will the tournament be streamed?

 

[shapular]

thanks, but Neeeon has a lot to prove to me. I wasn't extremely impressed when we played at apex. same for K8

Step 1: Don't underestimate anyone.

Dakpo pls ;.; Sorry I couldn't help, I haven't checked the G&W boards lately. I've kind of grown tired of PM and am just waiting for Smash 4 now. I stopped getting notifications on my watched threads here for no reason too. But anyway, none of us are anywhere close to as good as you, so I don't know what good we could do anyway.

 

[Italia06823834]

But anyway, none of us are anywhere close to as good as you, so I don't know what good we could do anyway.

Meh, we may not be as technically skilled (I still can't DACUS consistently) but we know what are and aren't good ideas.

 

[Nazo]

You forgot this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd3azZ20XwY

:D

 

[Dakpo]

You forgot this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd3azZ20XwY

:D

That set was sooo hype!!! really enjoyed playing him

 

[Deleted member]

WOW, YOU DIDN'T USE OUR REAL NAMES BUT I STILL WAS ABLE TO FIND THIS THREAD

You'll never hide from me, for I am hoodie tiara

 

[Needle of Juntah]

Welp, its the night before the national and only 1 person has been able to help me. Thanks @ Nephiros
TBH I'm pretty disappointed with the GnW community at this point. Ill remember this when anyone asks for my help >__> (ill still help out of course)

Bahahaha

 

[G13_Flux]

@ Dakpo I was just watching this match here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klDSTrzrqV0

Something I noticed that could be a subtly to help you improve is in your use of dash attack. 3 times I counted that you used a dash attack in this set and got punished by sethlon shielding grabbing you. One more time you used it and were able to hit with it. I think if you started to mix in dash attack canceled grabs you would see more success. since they are safe on shield, and get you a grab, which GW gets a lot from, it would force opponents to think a bit more carefully when shielding against GW. in the cases that you just dash attack, you can cover spot dodges and clank with moves very easily. but if you mix in canceling the DA with a grab, you cover shielding and can beat out an attack you might have clanked with. you could additionally mix in DACUSing in the same situations. since the DA can connect and hit them into the upsmash, it might be worth it coupled with the fact that the slide can put you out of harms reach. while the endlag can be punished if overused, the fact that theres two other things you can do (leave the dash attack as is, or cancel to a grab), makes it relatively unpredictable and fairly unlikely to get punished

you could just grab flat out, but the DA comes out frame 2, which is a good bit quicker than frame 7 for the grab, and it gives you the chance to clank with a projectile or attack.

 

[Dakpo]

@ Dakpo I was just watching this match here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klDSTrzrqV0

Something I noticed that could be a subtly to help you improve is in your use of dash attack. 3 times I counted that you used a dash attack in this set and got punished by sethlon shielding grabbing you. One more time you used it and were able to hit with it. I think if you started to mix in dash attack canceled grabs you would see more success.

Thanks for that input. But if I ever dash attack, its me trying to do the dash attack cancel grab. Im just messing up. (or im trying to do dacus)
Turns out I got double elim by seth anyways :/

 

[scuba_steve757]

Wavedashing out of shield would help you a ton. especially against ranged characters like roy. i play luigi alongside g&w in pm and it helps a ton. if you can read a roy (or marth) f-smash, you can wavedash out of shield for a free punish (which g&w is good at). Btw, your dacuses are amazing.

 

[TheDarkMysteryMan]

All I can say is wow! You are a crazy G&W and I have the upmost respect towards you.

I mean I watched your match at LTC2 against dizzy, and holy **** you we're insane there. You really are the best player for G&W I've ever seen.

Now for some advise. Well I can simply say because of the nerf on chef I think you can use the fast fall buff to your advantage against heavy characters. You know like pop a heavy food just before you hit the ground and something like that. Or fast fall into them and chase if they tech it.

Again dude you're insane with him.