I really need help with beating MK. I only play 1 person who actually uses him and they kind of spam up B and down throw. I currently use olimar but I still lose to much. Is there any character I can actually use to stand a chance at beating mk? I don't want to use mk myself though...
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Help with beating an MK?
- Thread starter viperGTS
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Unless the guy you're playing is one hell of a scrub, merely choosing a character people are telling you to use isn't going to help you at all.
Logical ways to handle this IMO from most to least logical;
-Learn from the mistakes you're making, if he's spamming the move over and over, it should be pretty easy to read him and then punish him. Hopefully.
-Go to the Olimar boards and look in the matchup discussion thread, if they don't have MK there then ask in the Q&A. Course', as I understand it MK v. Oli is a pretty bad matchup, so you might be better off doing the below...
-If you do pick up an other character, learn the character and the matchup.
Logical ways to handle this IMO from most to least logical;
-Learn from the mistakes you're making, if he's spamming the move over and over, it should be pretty easy to read him and then punish him. Hopefully.
-Go to the Olimar boards and look in the matchup discussion thread, if they don't have MK there then ask in the Q&A. Course', as I understand it MK v. Oli is a pretty bad matchup, so you might be better off doing the below...
-If you do pick up an other character, learn the character and the matchup.
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
Mindgame him. Only complain when he makes mistakes. I do this to local Metaknights to condition them into spamming more Jab combos and Drill Rushes.
Lol, but seriously, why is this here? Every character has a huge and comprehensive guide/strat to beating/surviving against MK.
Afaik, the only characters that ever have positive matchups on MK are Falco and Diddy. Lots of characters have 45/55 against him, which is usually positive since MK's rarely ever examine matchups.
Lol, but seriously, why is this here? Every character has a huge and comprehensive guide/strat to beating/surviving against MK.
Afaik, the only characters that ever have positive matchups on MK are Falco and Diddy. Lots of characters have 45/55 against him, which is usually positive since MK's rarely ever examine matchups.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Eww, what MK would use Jab or Drill Rush vs Olimar in ANY situation?
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
The ones that make me lol. Good MK's are rarely as fun to watch as the bad ones.
Hyesz
Smash Journeyman
Ice Climbers can put up a good fight against MK.
I've also seen Yoshi and Bowser do well.
I've also seen Yoshi and Bowser do well.
Tidal
Smash Apprentice
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Yoshi?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t11GYdJ0Gd0
This was the first time I ever saw any character destroy a good MK. Not even Ally vs M2K impressed me this much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t11GYdJ0Gd0
This was the first time I ever saw any character destroy a good MK. Not even Ally vs M2K impressed me this much.
solecalibur
Smash Master
Just proves you need to know the match up , and that match was over a year ago
Here is another match up Lain had no idea what to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvW2tnsbVk
On topic I might say if you never get into the competitive scene I'd stay your main (no matter the match up) because when you friendly your friend and you learn from there mistakes you should be 50/50 over time
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
I lol'd at the comment that said that this match was "proof" that any character could be as good as the player could be, tires dun exits and whatnot. Sure, every character that has that many grab release shenanigans against MK but fails vs. almost every other high tier character.
Crow!
Smash Lord
Yoshi vs MK is massively overhyped. Once MK realizes there's no reason to stop swinging his sword vs a Yoshi, the only thing Yoshi has going for him is a grab release that - sometimes - deals 25 damage, and will score a kill at like 170% damage. Tails and feet are not nearly disjoint enough or high enough in damage to keep up with MK, and Yoshi gets gimped hard.
Yoshi's cool, but MK is not a reason to play him.
Beating a spammy MK is about extreme patience and fast reaction time. If he does a glide attack after an up-B, you can powershield it then punish with grab or something. Altenatively, Olimar's pivot grab is probably disjoint enough to catch him before even the absurdly long range glide attack can hit you. If he goes for the grab, you have all your typical anti-grab options available to you, provided you see it coming - attack, spotdodge, or even just grab first; olimar's got enough range for it.
Yoshi's cool, but MK is not a reason to play him.
Beating a spammy MK is about extreme patience and fast reaction time. If he does a glide attack after an up-B, you can powershield it then punish with grab or something. Altenatively, Olimar's pivot grab is probably disjoint enough to catch him before even the absurdly long range glide attack can hit you. If he goes for the grab, you have all your typical anti-grab options available to you, provided you see it coming - attack, spotdodge, or even just grab first; olimar's got enough range for it.
If you refuse to ditto(which does give you the best matchup vs MK), the next best characters vs him would be Diddy, IC's, and Snake IMO.
A random low tier like Yoshi or Ness has good novelty because 99% of the MK's out there won't know the matchup vs you, but you're still at a disadvantage and some players will figure your limited character out before a set is over.
A random low tier like Yoshi or Ness has good novelty because 99% of the MK's out there won't know the matchup vs you, but you're still at a disadvantage and some players will figure your limited character out before a set is over.
Affinity
Smash Hero
ICs have a high learning curve, but they can definitely get the job done if you put enough time into them.
Well I have 2 problems when it comes to reaction.
1. I'm playing over wifi
2. I'm playing on a plasma tv
and uh the sig thing is outdated so don't mind that. I guess I'll be using snake then. And I'll go to the snake boards while I'm at it haha.
1. I'm playing over wifi
2. I'm playing on a plasma tv
and uh the sig thing is outdated so don't mind that. I guess I'll be using snake then. And I'll go to the snake boards while I'm at it haha.
oh, it's wifi? just pick wolf/pit/lucario and run away while using your projectile a lot, MK isn't very good online anyway(yoshi actually does work pretty well here...)
but snake is good too, and snake boards is awesome, we barely talk about snake though <_<
edit: where are you? if you're east coast I can play you a bit with my MK and give you some advice maybe
but snake is good too, and snake boards is awesome, we barely talk about snake though <_<
edit: where are you? if you're east coast I can play you a bit with my MK and give you some advice maybe
I'm not in the east coast and I'd rather not reveal my location. But thanks for trying to help.
Haha, wifi on a plasma TV. You won't see what's going on for like a full second.
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
No issue with wifi can't be resolved by laser spamming with wolf and throwing out random forward smashes lol
Yeah I know. It's terrible. And I really have no way of fixing it.
KillerJawz
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CaliburChamp
Smash Master
Fighting an MK on wifi is different than fighting an MK offline. You can simply camp MK online, since MK has no projectiles, and only certain projectiles are effective against MK because they knock MK out of tornado, projectiles like... Snakes grenades, Yoshi's eggs, Diddy's bananas, Lucario fully charged AS, and there's a few more out there.
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
G&W's fsmash + wifi = ****
Lol, i guess it's g and w then. I used to use him but yeah....
ShoutingRyan
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I wish I knew. But my best strategy is to go long range, as I have a regular opponent now that uses Metaknight... with no spam.:uzi:
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
He's doing it wrong.
ShoutingRyan
Smash Rookie
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Not really, because if he spammed, he'd be open since these matches are rarely one on one.
Kaffei
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Double team only works for so long though
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
All Metaknight moves could be considered some form of spam, since they all work. Spamming what? Try getting around spammed Shuttle Loops laglessly cancelled with glide attacks. Depending on your characters, try getting around tornado spam.
Planking. No more needs to be said on this matter.
Only a few characters can deal with retreating fairs. Nair spam off the stage kills at any and every percentage. Dsmash, because of it's frame advantage, can usually be spammed safely a few times for a safe kill.
Dair camping is one of MK's safest options, only a VERY few characters can get around it.
MK is a spammy character. Even if he's trying to play his entire moveset.
Whoever suggested Double Team, you're asking for a fully charged Fsmash in the face.
Planking. No more needs to be said on this matter.
Only a few characters can deal with retreating fairs. Nair spam off the stage kills at any and every percentage. Dsmash, because of it's frame advantage, can usually be spammed safely a few times for a safe kill.
Dair camping is one of MK's safest options, only a VERY few characters can get around it.
MK is a spammy character. Even if he's trying to play his entire moveset.
Whoever suggested Double Team, you're asking for a fully charged Fsmash in the face.
JagaTranvo
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I always find that with snake,holding a nade and power shield will stop him in his tracks =p