How do you SHDL?

[sineps]

Hey, i know this is a noob question but i cant seem to get this down. i dont know how to shdl. i short hop then just hit 'B' as fast as i can repeatedly but only get one laser out. is there a special way to do this?

thnx. dont flame. im still learning

 

[Zantetsu]

Button sliding is the best way to do it.

Practice is what will get it down. Just constantly practice and you should get it.

 

[sineps]

button sliding? i dont know what that is :x

 

[Zantetsu]

Basically pressing one of the c buttons and then sliding your thumb to the b button without picking your thumb up.

 

[Daedatheus]

The issue with SHDL is not how fast you can mash B, but rather how fast you can press B after C. The amount of time between you pressing c to jump and B to laser needs to be minimized until you can get 2 lasers out in 1 shorthop. Just mash B repeatedly after pressing C, that's the easy part. If you want to be ultra pro you can find the rhythm of the two lasers so you only press B twice, but I have a feeling that would be pretty **** hard to do consistently when mashing works fine.

It definitely takes practice to get it down and to increase the speed of your fingers. Also, as the above post says - button sliding helps to reduce that gap between pressing jump and lasering.

Once you have it down doing it in place, try doing while moving slightly forward/advancing and then slightly backward/retreating. As far as I know it's impossible to do an SHDL out of a full-speed forward shorthop, or at least I've never made it work (For this situation a delayed SHL is better). But small advancing or retreating movements work with SHDL quite nicely.

 

[sineps]

alright..thanks guys...i guess i just need to give it more practice

 

[Wenbobular]

It takes a while to get your finger down there fast enough.

 

[Daedatheus]

It takes a while to get your finger down there fast enough.

That's what she ..... nevermind.

 

[Dash_Fox]

I use my first part of my thumb for the C button and then I use my other part of the thumb for the A or B buttons. Sliding seems like too much work!

 

[Lawrencelot]

Practice other things first, make sure you can shorthop 100% of the time if you want to, and master shl at different heights. If you shl, the height should be as low as possible, but if you shdl, you should shl as high as possible (meaning almost no time between C and B) and then just add another laser. Don't worry about the second laser, just make sure the first one comes as quick as possible and hit B twice.

TL;DR: practice or use kb

 

[Surri-Sama]

That's what she ..... nevermind.

WIN!

10winsandprobablyinfractions

 

[_kSo_]

If there are other technical skills you have trouble with, such as short hopping or dash dancing, you should practice those before worrying about SHDL.

Also, win.

 

[sineps]

TL;DR: practice or use kb

i have no clue what this means


btw, thanks for your guys' input.

 

[MattNF]

It's even harder to do on the GC controller since the B button is so far away. Luckily I have practice in Melee with Falco and Fox so it's a bit easier, but it's still not as easy as the N64 controller...

But yeah, like others have said, just move your finger as fast as you can.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

don't use kb lol, kb is dumb

 

[Superstar]

^^^ Agreed.

I stopped using KB recently. So much relief, though I sucked worse once I switche and am starting to get back to regular levels.

 

[sineps]

what is KB?

 

[Zantetsu]

It's even harder to do on the GC controller since the B button is so far away. Luckily I have practice in Melee with Falco and Fox so it's a bit easier, but it's still not as easy as the N64 controller...

But yeah, like others have said, just move your finger as fast as you can.

Actually, it isn't far away if you slide from Y to B. It's how I do double shines, short hop double lasers, etc in melee.

what is KB?

Keyboard.

 

[Xelgand]

Hey, didn't know you can make it with the c buttons, i always used the z to shdl
(at least it's easier for me on kb)

 

[xMosmo]

Just so whoever doesnt know knows, TL;DR means too long dont read. *nods*

 

[Deleted member]

falcons easier to use on keyboard


what i usually do is tap left c with my right hand and bring my left hand over and mash the crap out of the B button. This often makes the 2nd laser go above the enemies head if they are small

 

[craiigg]

wtf you play on keyboard BJ?

or did you just used to it =s

EDIT: gtfo lawrence it was a typo ;__;

 

[Lawrencelot]

Sometimes I wonder if craiigg is really British...

Spoiler

disregard this post if his last sentence is correct english

 

[sineps]

I have seen people do the jump-shine-dash thing really quick and I have no clue how people do it so fast

like in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J4cdTKSEWc

is this just like the shdl thing and i got to get my fingers faster?

 

[Surri-Sama]

with the shine cancle, you just have to do the shine as close to the ground as possible. I for one, simply roll my fingers down the C buttons while holding down, and press B...works well. (console)

online i have to slide my fingers from the triangle button to the square button, while holding down, then press B (ps3 controller) its basically the same thing but it seems easier on console

 

[AvengerAngel]

Sometimes I wonder if craiigg is really British...

Spoiler

disregard this post if his last sentence is correct english

lmao me too x)

 

[Lawrencelot]

I have seen people do the jump-shine-dash thing really quick and I have no clue how people do it so fast

like in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J4cdTKSEWc

is this just like the shdl thing and i got to get my fingers faster?

You do realize the speed in that vid is not possible without extra tools right? Again, practice is the key.

 

[Surri-Sama]

You do realize the speed in that vid is not possible without extra tools right? Again, practice is the key.

actually it is possible to shine at that speed...maybe not that consistently but you can...

Learned from Isai, with his Shine grab combos...so sexy ;D

 

[Dash_Fox]

actually it is possible to shine at that speed...maybe not that consistently but you can...

Learned from Isai, with his Shine grab combos...so sexy ;D

Shine grab isn't a combo. :/

 

[Surri-Sama]

Shine grab isn't a combo. :/

really? i thought if you done it fast enough it was O_o

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Shine cancel at that speed is possible but dash shine cancel like this is not.

You can tech chase forwardly a bit like wave shine with fox shine if you do it good enough. But it's not that important since it will alost never work, as for shine to grab I think is not a combo...

 

[D.Q]

keyboard was here

controller is a loser

 

[rugoodat]

You can tech the shine

 

[Daedatheus]

If you are fast enough you can get off another shine. Very small room for error

 

[Surri-Sama]

If you are fast enough you can get off another shine. Very small room for error

If what you say is true, could i not grab after a shine too? (combo)

 

[craiigg]

If what you say is true, could i not grab after a shine too? (combo)

just tested this, you cant shine - insta-grab or shine dash grab. i'll try in TAS later though to be sure

 

[Zen Yore]

Only press twice the b button for laser, and u need to laser the very same time u started to jump, or else it won't work.

 

[Surri-Sama]

ok....

Isai bending the rules again gg

 

[Daedatheus]

But remember, you can shine-jab-grab. Or shine-jab-insert attack here.

I think my mistake about shine-dash-shine is just due to people usually not teching a shine immediately like they would with other attacks, since it causes you to roll on the ground immediately.

 

[Anonymous.]

Ok so I can't SHDL if i jump with the analog then?