How many invincibility Frames do you get for...

[BleachigoZX]

Grabing the ledge?


I didn't want to make this thread, but I was searching and asking around for the last day and couldn't find anything. But if you could tell/show me that'd be nice.

 

[Kewkky]

Grabing the ledge?


I didn't want to make this thread, but I was searching and asking around for the last day and couldn't find anything. But if you could tell/show me that'd be nice.

Hmm, I'd like to know too. Even though frames are hard to measure without tools, you still 'feel' when they're about to run out and act as soon as you feel that.

I'd like to reassure myself of when my frames will be ending, thank you very much.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Somewhere between 40 and 50 frames in total.

 

[UTDZac]

And does it vary by character? What about the number of invincibility frames after letting go from the ledge.

 

[demonictoonlink]

And does it vary by character? What about the number of invincibility frames after letting go from the ledge.

Getting up from ledge (Standing, attack, jump) varies for characters. Inv. Frames from grabbing stays the same.

 

[ph00tbag]

And does it vary by character? What about the number of invincibility frames after letting go from the ledge.

As far as I can tell, you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

 

[Shao-tan]

As far as I can tell, you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

Not true at all.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Actually i think you do lose them. Shao did you test it?

 

[Brinzy]

I tested it and you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

 

[ShadowLink84]

get blapped

 

[Kewkky]

get blapped

... blapped? o_o


I usually attack my opponents when they do a get-up animation (or jump) from the ledge and hit them when their invincibility frames are supposed to be active, according to what I've heard people say every once in a while. So I'm guessing that there are moments when the frames stop having the invincibility effect, and you're still shining white.

 

[Shao-tan]

I tested it and you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

When you grab the ledge, you gain X invincibility frames which last even if you drop the ledge. Grab the ledge and drop it at nearly the same time, give it a try. Your invincibility will last a bit longer, and that's why planking is viable and MK's ledge-drop Nairs are useful after a quick edgehog.

 

[Hype]

I tested it and you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

False. All good MKs abuse this by doing invincible Nairs off of the ledge.

 

[demonictoonlink]

God I love Dark....

Also, I'm pretty sure it does forfeit the IF's. That's why while doing that you can still be ledge-spiked.

 

[Kewkky]

God I love Dark....

Also, I'm pretty sure it does forfeit the IF's. That's why while doing that you can still be ledge-spiked.

Nah, it doesn't, which is why MK's and Peaches do teh "ledgedrop > (float if Peach) > nair" edgeguards.

 

[SuSa]

If you did, would people like to explain to me how DK's do invicinble up-B's across the stage? Abusing the ledge drop?

Would you also like to explain to me why sometimes I cannot hit someone out of their aerials, although it is obvious I hit first?

I'm pretty sure you don't forfeit the IF's.

 

[gm jack]

You don't lose them. A thing I like to do with Sheik is, from holding on the chain, retract, get IF, drop and edgeguard through their recovery move.

 

[Flayl]

This is stuff the smash lab group should have tested as soon as they joined. Let us know when somebody reaches a conclusion with photographic/video proof.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

You don't lose them. If you did, Brawl would be so much more fun in general.

The ledge is so stupid.

 

[Demp]

If you did, would people like to explain to me how DK's do invicinble up-B's across the stage? Abusing the ledge drop?

Because it is abusing the invincibility frames given from the Up B.

 

[Kewkky]

Would you also like to explain to me why sometimes I cannot hit someone out of their aerials, although it is obvious I hit first?

Heheheh, I'm guilty of abusing things like that with Kirby... When my opponent respawns, I wait right next to the ledge and when they get near, I grab it and immediately ledgehop a fair, fastfall when the 3rd kick hits, then grab.

Inescapable. :D

 

[Throwback]

every samus player knows you lose your IF as soon as you ledge-drop. moves like peach/MK's nair are successful because of their priority (ie good hitbox).

 

[SuSa]

So I guess hitting a grenade and not taking damage/knockback (yes, the grenade blew up) means your move just had a good hitbox.

When you're Mario.

 

[Throwback]

I don't always have to be right - show it w/ vids and I'll gladly stand corrected.

 

['V']

How many frames..?

Waaaaay too many if you ask me.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

every samus player knows you lose your IF as soon as you ledge-drop. moves like peach/MK's nair are successful because of their priority (ie good hitbox).

Samus's aerials are just slow and bad. They run out by the time you can do them.

 

[Throwback]

if IF last for 40-50 frames as stated earlier in this thread, and samus' nair/uair comes out on frame 7(ish), then that's highly doubtful. Unless the IF last for only a couple of frames after you let go?

 

[smashmachine]

every1 knows meta gets 10 extra frames on the ledge[/sarcasm]

but seriously there are way too many frames

 

[SuSa]

if IF last for 40-50 frames as stated earlier in this thread, and samus' nair/uair comes out on frame 7(ish), then that's highly doubtful. Unless the IF last for only a couple of frames after you let go?

I'm pretty sure it's under 5 frames after you let go. I still need to do testing but I've been busy.

 

[Boxob.]

Samus's aerials are just slow and bad. They run out by the time you can do them.

Nair/uair?

 

[tocador]

So I guess hitting a grenade and not taking damage/knockback (yes, the grenade blew up) means your move just had a good hitbox.

when your Mario.

sigged for future generations.

SffG

 

[SuSa]

Nair/uair?

Still to slow with 7 frames. Pretty sure invincibility is less then 5 frames. So more like Peach's nair.

EDIT:
Tocador, mind fixing your to "You're"? :x I always make that mistake..

 

[tocador]

You wish is my command.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I tested it and you forfeit all invincibility from ledge-dropping.

Incorrect. You retain a certain number of invincibility upon dropping from the ledge, and are able to do attacks while retaining the IFs. This is called an "invincible aerial," which was also possible in Melee. It is actually a bit more difficult to time in Brawl due to a smaller window (less frames available after dropping), which is caused by the lag time when you grab the ledge before you can move.

 

[SuSa]

And Panda comes in to save the day.

Pretty sure it's 5 frames or less Panda. Not 100% sure though, can you get your team to do any research on it?

 

[Throwback]

ok then, I stand corrected.

 

[1nconspikuous]

Incorrect. You retain a certain number of invincibility upon dropping from the ledge, and are able to do attacks while retaining the IFs. This is called an "invincible aerial," which was also possible in Melee. It is actually a bit more difficult to time in Brawl due to a smaller window (less frames available after dropping), which is caused by the lag time when you grab the ledge before you can move.

i've always wondered about this lag time. i see youtube/tourney ppl dropping so quickly off the ledge to take advantage of the invincibility frames, yet when i try to do it, it seems so slow because of that lag time.

 

[Hype]

Someone please test the number of frames.

 

[Jekyll]

The only thing that I'm certain about when it comes to ledge-dropping is that the heavier the character is, the longer it takes for them to be able to drop from it. If there really is 40-50 frames of invincibility after grabbing the ledge, then maybe only the lighter characters can take advantage of it by dropping during the invincibility. I wouldn't think that Samus would be considered a light character.

 

[Kewkky]

Well, Samus is light, but she is also quite floaty. That might add to the "Why doesn't Samus abuse these?" compilation of reasons, her moving too slow vertically and horizontally to actually reach the opponent in time, while also using an aerial that isn't quick enough.

And them letting go of the edge? It might also have to do with their size... Just speculating, if it's actually true