How to punish and when appropriate.

[Seagull Joe]

Ask how to punish _____ and I'll answer accordingly.

 

[castorpollux]

how to punish toon link's zair

 

[castorpollux]

how to punish jj double posting? (the ban threat clearly failed)

 

[Seagull Joe]

Well, the interesting thing about TL's zair is the hurtbox for TL is not extended past the zair. You can't reflect it. The only thing you can do is powershield it or regular shield it.

If you powershield it then there isn't much else you can do after. TL's zair is pretty lagless and has range on it. TL can ground himself to shield before Wolf does anything afterwards if I recall.

You punish JJ double posting with an Ishieymoro warning, which warrants JJ to like every status, friend, and post on Ishiey's wall.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

*MK's Fair
*Snake's uptilt
*Falco F-smash

*Rolls(general)

 

[Ishiey]

how to punish jj double posting? (the ban threat clearly failed)

You punish JJ double posting with an Ishieymoro warning, which warrants JJ to like every status, friend, and post on Ishiey's wall.

**** you're good lol

Can't you DACUS under TL's zair or something? Like, doesn't DACUS combat it relatively well?

 

[_Kain_]

**** you're good lol

Can't you DACUS under TL's zair or something? Like, doesn't DACUS combat it relatively well?

The hitbox stays out til he pulls it back in I believe. If he zairs really high I guess you can probly get a DACUS in. If he does it right, don't think so

 

[Seagull Joe]

*MK's Fair
*Snake's uptilt
*Falco F-smash

*Rolls(general)

Mk's fair- Shield/Powershield it and then Usmash Oos after the final hit connects. You can also dash grab after he ends it because Mk will probably retreat to the ground then he might Dtilt or Fair again.

Snake's Utilt- This move is just easy to avoid most of the time. Don't get caught above a platform with Snake under it. Watch yourself when getting back to the stage with a Snake waiting at the edge. You can punish Snake pretty easily AFTER he uses it. You cannot challenge this move really. If you powershield it then punish with Dsmash/grab/aaa.

Falco Fsmash- You just don't get hit by this move. It only ever lands through mindgames. If you got hit by an Fsmash then it's your fault and you got mindgamed into it. Just play smarter O_o. Punish with anything if you shield it. Fsmash has no setups to auto work on Wolf. Just don't lag moves in front of Falco or airdodge into it.

Rolls- Pivot grab rolls or Dsmash them. Rolls are easy to beat. Who rolls vs Wolf other then Lucario, Metaknight, and Falco?

 

[castorpollux]

if the metaknight spaces ftilt, you cant punish with usmash oos, but u can with fair OOS.

snake's utilt can be punished by fsmash on shield

 

[Seagull Joe]

He said Fair JJ, but that's good to know too. I didn't know how to punish Ftilt effectively. I'll make a mental note.

 

[castorpollux]

He said Ftilt JJ, but that's good to know too. I didn't know how to punish Ftilt effectively. I'll make a mental note.

u can punish both snake's utilt and ftilt with fsmash

 

[Seagull Joe]

u can punish both snake's utilt and ftilt with fsmash

Yeah. If you shield it. You gotta do it instantly though or it can be powershielded. You could also grab Snake after the first hit of Ftilt if he is in range. It's weird.

F*ck, I put Ftilt twice in my previous post. I meant he said Mk fair not Mk ftilt.

 

[.AC.]

learn to not get grab baited (extremely important)

 

[tekkie]

mk's fsmash

okay fine i have nothing useful to ask about lol

 

[castorpollux]

mk's fsmash

okay fine i have nothing useful to ask about lol

if ur close enough u can shield grab or AAA. if u powershield you can do anything

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

everything is punishable by fsmash

 

[KRDsonic]

everything is punishable by fsmash

Ice Climbers Desynced blizzard.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I saw Semifer punish a Sheik ftilt with fair OoS when he played Izaw in a tourney set this summer and I'm fairly sure it was no powershield. Does this actually work?

 

[tekkie]

Ice Climbers Desynced blizzard.

just keep mashing forward on the c-stick itll work eventually

that works against pits sideB iirc

 

[castorpollux]

how to punish turtle from lurking?

 

[Seagull Joe]

You could talk about Diddy vs Wolf and say it's 100-0 Wolf's favor.

 

[Goldenadept]

isnt it though?

 

[_Kain_]

Falco's jab

 

[tekkie]

Falco's jab

if they keep going i hold the direction away from them and mash the cstick towards them so you fsmash them right when you get out

which is probably bad if they stop jabbing and shield grab but eh thats life

 

[Gah777]

Kirby's back air

 

[Ishiey]

If they do a rising bair, a FH fair/bair/uair. If they do a landing bair, usmash OoS/fair OoS/shieldgrab.

 

[Deleted member]

Marth keeping you offstage with f-air.

Marth is such a hard MU for me because I just don't know how to deal with his stage control.

 

[Gah777]

If they do a rising bair, a FH fair/bair/uair. If they do a landing bair, usmash OoS/fair OoS/shieldgrab.

Assuming a well spaced retreating, landing back air where they roll away directly afterward?

 

[Ishiey]

Usmash OoS, I'm pretty sure. They don't have blockstun data in the Kirby frame data thread, so can't say 100% but it usually works well enough for me :x That or fair if they're in front of you, probably.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If you're knocked offstage against Marth just do a turnaround shine and then **** his garbage fair with our super broken bair :D