I Belive M2K is now the most successsful smash player of all time.

[AlphaZealot]

Are you talking over the course of the year? I really do think SF has more money it. Our "nationals" which are what like 400 once a year. Sf has over 8 tournies a year with 250+ not to mention more weekly tournys since they have them in the weekdays also.

There is actual proof on how many Smash tournaments are in a year.
Between June 2008-June 2009 there were at least 681 tournaments worldwide- 25,269 total entrants (this doubles/triple/etc counts people, as in two tournaments in Maryland that have 40 people would could as 80 entrants, even though there may only be 45 unique people)
Between October 2009-August 2010 there were at least 414 tournaments in only the US/Canada with 4,320 unique entrants

You can't find any info like I just mentioned over at SRK, so comparing stats weekly is mostly trivial. What I can tell you though is that we are talking about money, and for SF to put on a tournament with a $7,500 prize pool they need 750 entrants. They have one national a year (EVO) that gets 1,000-2,000 entrants (so $10-$20,000 in prizes). Outside that the next biggest tournament is 400ish people, then progressively less. They do not have eight 250-person tournaments a year. 100+ person? Yes. 250+ person? No, they have about 4 250+ person events a year.

However, the point is about money. SF would have to host four 750 person events + a 3,500 person event just to match the payouts from MLG events. (4 events with $7,500 in payouts and 1 event with $35,000 in payouts, respectively). There has never been an SF event to even come close to $35,000 in payouts (meanwhile we've also had a $40,000 payout event back in Melee 2006).

In other words if you were to compare the 10-most-payout tournaments in a year (Again - US), Smash vs SF, Smash would win likely by a good 20-30k.

Then if you went deeper to locals Smash is right on par with SF, so the nationals would ultimately be the difference maker and Smash has way more money there.

Without MLG around I would say there is *slightly* more money in the SF scene. Again, the difference maker are the nationals, but I do think there are more 100+ person Smash events in a year than there are SF events. There are more 3/400+ person SF events though than Smash (Smash has zero 300+ person events, SF has...4ish).

 

[Takeover1806]

@ alphazealot What if you include ssf4 vs. smash worldwide?

Who would make more?

Justin went to like China or some **** and won $8,000 not to long ago.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Worldwide Smash would still make more. Japan is SF hub and guess what? You can't play for money, so it doesn't really help their money totals. Attendance yes, money no.

I don't know what tournament JW would have attended, especially in China of all places. SBO is the only thing I can think of but it is not in China. Shrug, I'd have to see a link to the results. Also consider its Jwong, could have been MvC or some other fighter. It doesn't make sense he would travel overseas to a land populated by people who are way above the US in skill level...and win a tournament for a lot of money that those same players would likely be attending (this is SSFIV).

 

[mew1000]

wow most of you guys are jerks, seriously. There is no way you could possibly try to argue that I "deserve" not getting paid what the TO said I would. If you guys got ripped off as much as I have, you would be pretty mad too.

M2K is kick *** and he ****ing rock's gooooooo

 

[Iron Dragon]

There is actual proof on how many Smash tournaments are in a year.
Between June 2008-June 2009 there were at least 681 tournaments worldwide- 25,269 total entrants (this doubles/triple/etc counts people, as in two tournaments in Maryland that have 40 people would could as 80 entrants, even though there may only be 45 unique people)
Between October 2009-August 2010 there were at least 414 tournaments in only the US/Canada with 4,320 unique entrants

You can't find any info like I just mentioned over at SRK, so comparing stats weekly is mostly trivial. What I can tell you though is that we are talking about money, and for SF to put on a tournament with a $7,500 prize pool they need 750 entrants. They have one national a year (EVO) that gets 1,000-2,000 entrants (so $10-$20,000 in prizes). Outside that the next biggest tournament is 400ish people, then progressively less. They do not have eight 250-person tournaments a year. 100+ person? Yes. 250+ person? No, they have about 4 250+ person events a year.

However, the point is about money. SF would have to host four 750 person events + a 3,500 person event just to match the payouts from MLG events. (4 events with $7,500 in payouts and 1 event with $35,000 in payouts, respectively). There has never been an SF event to even come close to $35,000 in payouts (meanwhile we've also had a $40,000 payout event back in Melee 2006).

In other words if you were to compare the 10-most-payout tournaments in a year (Again - US), Smash vs SF, Smash would win likely by a good 20-30k.

Then if you went deeper to locals Smash is right on par with SF, so the nationals would ultimately be the difference maker and Smash has way more money there.

Without MLG around I would say there is *slightly* more money in the SF scene. Again, the difference maker are the nationals, but I do think there are more 100+ person Smash events in a year than there are SF events. There are more 3/400+ person SF events though than Smash (Smash has zero 300+ person events, SF has...4ish).

What games specifically are you comparing?

Brawl AND Melee to just SSF4? Or Brawl and Melee to SSF4 and other things too?

 

[DippnDots]

m2k stacks dollars higher then the mexican border fence *****

the river or the tall grass?

 

[Jim Morrison]

wow most of you guys are jerks, seriously. There is no way you could possibly try to argue that I "deserve" not getting paid what the TO said I would. If you guys got ripped off as much as I have, you would be pretty mad too.

 

[Voodoo Daddy]

I LOVE YOU JASON YOU DA BESSSSSSSSSSSSS! I hope smash 4 doesn't fracture the community and we can actually become the 2nd largest competitive game after Halo (even more then halo maybe, brawl outsold halo 3)...

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

not really i was ripping on him for his whining in general

you're a terrible person

and probably a terrorist

 

[BigDaddy4]

Worldwide Smash would still make more. Japan is SF hub and guess what? You can't play for money, so it doesn't really help their money totals. Attendance yes, money no.

I don't know what tournament JW would have attended, especially in China of all places. SBO is the only thing I can think of but it is not in China. Shrug, I'd have to see a link to the results. Also consider its Jwong, could have been MvC or some other fighter. It doesn't make sense he would travel overseas to a land populated by people who are way above the US in skill level...and win a tournament for a lot of money that those same players would likely be attending (this is SSFIV).

worldwide SSF4 easily makes more than worldwide smash, seriously.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

What games specifically are you comparing?

Brawl AND Melee to just SSF4? Or Brawl and Melee to SSF4 and other things too?

he is comparing the 5 mlg tournaments to the top ssf4 tournaments and mentioned the biggest paying melee tournament.

But i think it's brawl vs ssf4 mostly

 

[kx.agent]

I don't know what tournament JW would have attended, especially in China of all places. SBO is the only thing I can think of but it is not in China.

He's talking about ESWC 2010, which happened in France. The total prize pool was around 15k iirc.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Brawl AND Melee to just SSF4? Or Brawl and Melee to SSF4 and other things too?

Just Brawl, compared to SSFIV, in the year 2010.

worldwide SSF4 easily makes more than worldwide smash, seriously.

Got any proof? Links to large-prize tournaments? Large attendance tournaments =/= more prize money. Again the largest SF tournament ever was EVO2010 (and EVO2009 before it). Even at the highest end of estimates, lets say 2,000 people (note, no one has ever said EVO had that many people, the highest number I heard was ~1,700, EVO doesn't release official tally's unfortunately). Anyways, those 2,000 people seems like it would generate a ton more money for SF than anything we get in Smash, since our largest tournaments don't even break 300.

Except...

MLG came along and now, as I pointed out earlier, EVO would have to get at minimum 3,500 people just to match the $35,000 payout that will happen at MLG Dallas in November. There non-EVO tournaments would need 750 people just to reach the payouts of MLG Raleigh/Columbus/Orlando/DC. Outside of EVO I think there has only been one other tournament with over 750 attendees and that was Devastation.

 

[Iron Dragon]

Just Brawl, compared to SSFIV, in the year 2010.



Got any proof? Links to large-prize tournaments? Large attendance tournaments =/= more prize money. Again the largest SF tournament ever was EVO2010 (and EVO2009 before it). Even at the highest end of estimates, lets say 2,000 people (note, no one has ever said EVO had that many people, the highest number I heard was ~1,700, EVO doesn't release official tally's unfortunately). Anyways, those 2,000 people seems like it would generate a ton more money for SF than anything we get in Smash, since our largest tournaments don't even break 300.

Except...

MLG came along and now, as I pointed out earlier, EVO would have to get at minimum 3,500 people just to match the $35,000 payout that will happen at MLG Dallas in November. There non-EVO tournaments would need 750 people just to reach the payouts of MLG Raleigh/Columbus/Orlando/DC. Outside of EVO I think there has only been one other tournament with over 750 attendees and that was Devastation.

The funny thing in all of this though is that MLG is a series of events, of course it's big, understandable.

EVO is one event and it's getting in 2,000 people? Are you ****ing serious? Imagine if they had a string of events like MLG does with Brawl.

So maybe SSF4 doesn't make as much as Brawl does total per year, but it's biggest tournament will always outmatch our biggest tournament, and their big matches will ALWAYS be more hype than our big matches(not to mention that hype in brawl is non-existant, don't try to say otherwise, please).

But I'll end it all with a OBVIOUS TROLL and that's to say that Melee is still the ****ing best. **** isn't even running an MLG circuit like Brawl but it's spitting out HUGE things that get out of country players multiple times a YEAR? 8 years later and it's biggest tournament of all-time OUTMATCHES Brawl in terms of Brawl's largest ever? As far as I'm concerned, yeah Melee on MLG would be terrific. But it's obvious it doesn't need it because it still beats it without it

 

[AlphaZealot]

The point of this thread is talking about money.

 

[TheManaLord]

anything that makes you money is a job youre putting in work

if youre just blessed with skills that make your **** more productive or more succesfull or easier than thats just how it is. i can buy anything hard on the street for like 100 and flip it in a day for 1000

cash paper money m2k way to go

 

[mew1000]

anything that makes you money is a job youre putting in work

if youre just blessed with skills that make your **** more productive or more succesfull or easier than thats just how it is. i can buy anything hard on the street for like 100 and flip it in a day for 1000

cash paper money m2k way to go

Now he know's what is up

 

[PB&J]

az- is there anyway you can help m2k get some sponsors or something a free flight here and there would help out alot for jason..anything would help really

 

[AlphaZealot]

Isn't he under vVv now?

 

[Iron Dragon]

He said he quit vVv I think

 

[King~]

and then he went back to them sometime during mlg, he said they gave him his money

 

[hippochinfat!!]

Ken invented **** he is the best

 

[Gindler]

10x's profit margin? TML should be a billionaire by now...

 

[TheManaLord]

i buy **** like weed, phat spinnaz for my car, beer, and dvds n sweet **** like potato launchers and bongs.

 

[hungrybox]

I buy lunch and pay for school stuff. And airplane tickets I guess.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I fail to see why this is "[IMPORTANT]".

 

[mastermoo420]

It's because it's probably implicitly a (serious topic)

 

[DarrellD]

I like the idea of winning and giving money to the family

 

[GTZ]

I would rather have the respect and authority in the smash community over the money anyday. It must help to have your travel fees and stuff paid, sure. The real kicker is the respect and reputation.,, That's what I wish I had.. I'm just an old burnt out competitive smasher with a new title though..

 

[EPsilon933]

I wish I had a good reputation.

 

[DippnDots]

i hear that .

 

[wiito]

correct me if i'm wrong.. but at least if m2k wins mlg grand finals (wich i'm pretty sure he will) he'll be receiving the largest price check for a first place in smash... 12.5k $.. right?

 

[AlphaZealot]

Correct. The largest after that was $10,000 received by PC Chris at MLG Vegas 2006. The next largest after that was $5,000 for EVO 2k7 to Ken, $5,000 to Lee Martin for winning the Gamestop opening Brawl tournament, and $5,000 to Azen for winning the MLG New York Playoffs 2006. Ken and Isai also split a $10,000 check from MLG Vegas 2006.

 

[-Remix-]

Well i saw this and i couldn;t agree more