Into The New World :: Generation V Competitive Metagame Discussion

[Terywj [태리]]

Rampardos needs to get access to gen 4 move tutors in grey, so he can get encourage fire punch and thunderpunch, in addition to head smash and zen headbutt/crunch. cuz that would be ****ing awesome.

OMG.

Rampardos @ Life Orb
Encourage / Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk. / 252 Spd.
~ Earthquake
~ Head Smash
~ Fire Punch
~ Thunderpunch / Crunch

Maybe like Rock Polish, but Rampardos is really frail.

 

[Wave⁂]

Rock Polish? Don't be a sissy, use Swords Dance.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Or be a man and use Choice Band.

Adamant +1 head smash has a chance to 1hko 252/252 impish Skarmory after stealth rock. Awesome.
It also 2hko's 252/196 sassy Nattorei that are running around all over the place that come in on a layer of spikes+sr. Anything weaker shouldn't even try walling it.

...except for steelix.

 

[Wave⁂]

Get a Chansey to pass him Wishes and you're set. Nattorei could be a problem, though, with Steel Thorns or Iron Barbs or whatever.

Better yet, Trick Room.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's why if Pokemo Grey gives Rampardos Fire Punch, it'll be the best thing ever.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I thought about natt a lot, but it's definitely possible to run Fire Blast on a non-choice set. It's encourage-boosted, so even with his ****ty spatk stat it would do alright with a life orb boost and minimal investment...hell, I just did a calc, it says a lot:

186 Atk+LO vs 363 Def & 354 HP (156 Base Power): 300 - 356 (84.75% - 100.56%)

That's max/max spdef ferrothorn. Rampardos has only 80 spatk EVs and a Life Orb.

He might legitimately be a new stallbreaker...mixed attacking stats, encourage-boosted Rock Slide, Fire Blast, Crunch, and Superpower/Zen Headbutt. What's on stall that resists that combination? XP

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Reminds me of when everything ran Hidden Power [Ice] in Little Cup except for Cranidos, who needed Blizzard's power to make up for his pathetic Sp. Atk. stat. Good stuff.

 

[kirbyraeg]

But Cranidos learns Ice Beam. Loool.

Why am I talking about this still.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Except Cranidos has like 9 Special Attack in Little Cup, so Cranidos needed Blizzard in order to OHKO Gligar, IIRC.

Because Rampardos is beast and we love it. I used a shiny Rampardos for the Battle Frontier stuff. Pretty ridiculously powerful.

 

[Night-san]

Mmkay. Pokemon Online is officially full of crap player-wise. I'm not that good, as I said, and I've not lost a single match yet after playing... a lot of matches, anyways.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Play on Smogon if you're aiming for competition and stuff.

 

[Night-san]

Yeah, that's what I normally play on. xD I just thought I'd test these guys out.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah, that's what I normally play on. xD I just thought I'd test these guys out.

Don't waste your time. Smogon is where the real stuff is.

 

[alamaster]

I've been on Smogon a long time and Beta as well, and once you reach a certain level the competition becomes pretty even, mainly because its the same players battling on both servers. I find Beta has more diverse teams, whereas Smogon users have for the most part the same teams (sand, stall, rain, w/e) so it becomes easy to play against once you know how to beat all the standard stuff. Beta trips me up sometimes because you see stuff you don't see as often and can be tougher to deal with.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I agree. That's probably the worst feeling--scrubs using random stuff that is suddenly effective because you don't usually mess around with it.

GyaraVire OMG whaaaat? But I know what you mean. That's why when Smogon establishes a UU I'll be playing there.

 

[choknater]

thats why i like playing both. i really do enjoy the diversitiy that beta server has to offer, tho it kinda sucks that their tiers/bans are different....

 

[kirbyraeg]

i'd much rather play on PO

smogon runs standard **** and bulky fighting types and steels and it's gai

or they run ttar(hippo)/lati@s/breloom/shandera/dorry(garchomp)/landlos

but on po they run politoed/kingdra/kabutops/ludicolo(lati@s)/zapdos/nattorei

hmmmm.

 

[choknater]

lol

still tho

i mean theres players like panamaxis who run hecka legit and creative stuff

top ladder just gets hard. way harder than po server can ever be

po is full of surprises, and more players to beat to go up the ladder.

they both have their strengths.

 

[kirbyraeg]

i need to make a good team again

instead of something jank

 

[choknater]

hehe yah do it. i have my good team which has done me well for months

and then i just make side janky teams for fun and to test out diff pokemon i like to see what's good

i love cm/barrier/assist power musharna LOL it's gotten me some good sweeps.

edit: mmmmm i love lilligant so much, just made a comeback from 2-4 with it. after a bdance in sun i can pretty much assure myself im not gonna get outsped.

 

[Pink Reaper]

So why has no one used power share shuckle yet?

 

[Wave⁂]

lol

still tho

i mean theres players like panamaxis who run hecka legit and creative stuff

top ladder just gets hard. way harder than po server can ever be

po is full of surprises, and more players to beat to go up the ladder.

they both have their strengths.

Smogon's BotW with a CB Gyarados OHKOing a Latias on the switch was one of the best moments in a battle I've ever seen.

 

[choknater]

So why has no one used power share shuckle yet?

hm that would be pretty cool! i wanna try it

 

[Gates]

So why has no one used power share shuckle yet?

I can't decide on what spread to use. Also people keep switching into Chansey and ruining my sweeping chances.

 

[Night-san]

So why has no one used power share shuckle yet?

I've yet to see someone use it very successfully.

Then again, the only times I've seen it in use were on PO's official server, so that's not necessarily saying a whole lot.

 

[Sync.]

I think the dark/steel type Pokemon whose head has a razer on top is pretty solid with a decent amount of defense and good typing with a solid move pool.

 

[choknater]

all i know is that its sucker punch is freakin strong.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think the dark/steel type Pokemon whose head has a razer on top is pretty solid with a decent amount of defense and good typing with a solid move pool.

Kirikizan? I'd try running Swords Dance + Sucker Punch with Latios as previously suggested by someone earlier--I think Kirbyraeg.

 

[choknater]

yeah. its sucker punch is freaking STRONG like wth.

so hm... when is competitive spirit activated? on thinks like intimidate and moves like screech?

btw i never noticed swadloon's defenses are higher than leavanny's.... i'm bout to use that

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Any time a Competitive Spirit's stats are lowered, an Attack raise occurs.

Intimidate would be canceled, etc.

 

[kirbyraeg]

It increases it by 2 stages for each stat drop. Therefore, if it gets intimidated, it gets a net +1 boost. And +2 for stuff like shadow ball lowering its special defense, etc.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh wait +2 Attack? That's sweet. Have they determined about Competitive Spirit + Close Combat? Or is the Attack raise the result of infliction from the opponent only?

 

[Gates]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Competitive_spirit

This does not include self-induced stat drops like those from Close Combat.

 

[kirbyraeg]

That's what I thought too. Before reading it, thinking "Wait, that would make close combat, superpower, etc. broken powerful" and building a team around scarf primeape sweeping everything in sight.

On the other hand, this is good news for little cup, as it will make Mankey one of the best counters to stalling Murkrow imaginable in Dream World Little Cup.

 

[Wave⁂]

Oh man, imagine Eccentric Simple Competitive Spirit

 

[Night-san]

Kekekeh. I found a way to stop SubDisable Gengar with Roobushin, assuming you play your cards right.

Dunno if anyone else has done this/thought of this, but...

Gengar generally just disables Roob's Payback on its second use, right? If you can see the Disable coming, Mach Punch instead. :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Substitute Disable Gengar? Is this on the Pokemon Online server...?

 

[kirbyraeg]

Disable is pretty common on gengar now, esp. since it will affect the move last used always now and as 100% accuracy(?). People that run subdisable just forget that he can 2hko stuff like that with shadow ball anyway. -_-

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh wow. Interesting to see such a turnaround in Gengar's common movesets.

 

[Night-san]

Yeah. At first I was really cautious around Gengar, because I was expecting the amount of coverage it usually sported in the past, but it seems less common lately compared to a Disable set.