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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

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His Final Smash should also have a chance of backfiring. And the Wise One comes down and trolls him.
 

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Since we got Dark Adepts in Golden Sun Dark Dawn, Light Adepts seem like a possibility to Golden Sun 4. And we get at least one playable adept of each.

Also, I really want them to develop more the Dark Psynergy, the only one we saw was Dark Shield (and even then, I'm not sure if can be called Psynergy, since it would appear the message "Blados used Dark Shield" instead of "Blados casts Dark Shield".
 

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So if (I mean when) Isaac is added to Smash, what Stage should represent Golden Sun? (I'm sure this has been asked before, but I don't visit here much)

For me it would be Mercury Lighthouse because...
I just beat Saturos up there
 
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Since we got Dark Adepts in Golden Sun Dark Dawn, Light Adepts seem like a possibility to Golden Sun 4. And we get at least one playable adept of each.

Also, I really want them to develop more the Dark Psynergy, the only one we saw was Dark Shield (and even then, I'm not sure if can be called Psynergy, since it would appear the message "Blados used Dark Shield" instead of "Blados casts Dark Shield".
Dark already exists in Venus, only not mentioned by in-game characters for some odd reason.
 
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There really isn't any Dark Psynergy. It's more like the absence of it. And Light Psynergy would be a mixture of the 4 base elements.

Even though the color spectrum would disagree. Since the color white is absence of colors while black is the consumption of all colors.

Kinda strange.

And there just wasn't enough spells that were clear Holy/Darkness affiliated.
 

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It's not like there are many ideas for holy/darkness attack anyways, we would be reduced to generic light/dark beams of different size if it happens. Kinda like DBZ.
 
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So if (I mean when) Isaac is added to Smash, what Stage should represent Golden Sun?
It would probably be one of the lighthouses because it pretty much has to be an iconic scene from the game, and they're probably the only things which fit the bill other than Sol Sanctum or something. But if we ignore that... one of:
  • A lighthouse / Sol Sanctum
  • Tret Tree (using branches as platforms, spider hazards?)
  • Lemurian Ship (similar to Pirate Ship from Brawl I guess)
  • Air's Rock (whirlwind hazards and stuff)
 

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Any good artists in this thread?

I'm looking for some panoramic/scenic artwork of the Lighthouses.
 

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It would probably be one of the lighthouses because it pretty much has to be an iconic scene from the game, and they're probably the only things which fit the bill other than Sol Sanctum or something. But if we ignore that... one of:
  • A lighthouse / Sol Sanctum
  • Tret Tree (using branches as platforms, spider hazards?)
  • Lemurian Ship (similar to Pirate Ship from Brawl I guess)
  • Air's Rock (whirlwind hazards and stuff)
I don't know anything about Lemurian Ship or Air Rock, because I haven't gotten there yet.
And regardless of how soon after Mercury Lighthouse they are it'll be a while before I get there because all of my Golden Sun data was corrupted and deleted, so I had to restart.

I actually like the idea of using the Tret Tree as a stage. Maybe have the Tret head as a hazard/boss.
 

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I don't know anything about Lemurian Ship or Air Rock, because I haven't gotten there yet.
And regardless of how soon after Mercury Lighthouse they are it'll be a while before I get there because all of my Golden Sun data was corrupted and deleted, so I had to restart.

I actually like the idea of using the Tret Tree as a stage. Maybe have the Tret head as a hazard/boss.
Both are from the second game so you've a while yet lol. Unlucky about the corruption, must have been frustrating but GS is the best RPG ever so keep it up, the second game is so worth playing.
 

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I think Saturos and Menardi are the best villain duo out of the three games.

The starting crew as well as the proxians in the second Game mention them pretty often, and that's a way of doing them justice.
 

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No, it's a Kid Icarus stage. I don't get your joke if this is one.
Golden Sun and Kid Icarus both take a lot from Greek Mythology. And Golden Sun had prominent ancient structures under ruin after years of decay. Palutena's Temple was similar in this aspect.

As for a real answer, Sol Sanctum, Vale, or any Lighthouse would do. Or even the Flying Memurian Ship soaring through various backgrounds would work. Ending with the 4 elemental lighthouses forming the Golden Sun.
 

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Both are from the second game so you've a while yet lol. Unlucky about the corruption, must have been frustrating but GS is the best RPG ever so keep it up, the second game is so worth playing.
On the bright side, I've already re-encountered Ivan and beaten the bandits, so Tret comes soon. I'll be caught up in no time!

Question: what level does Isaac get growth? I've gotten Garet to use it by giving him Flint.

Golden Sun and Kid Icarus both take a lot from Greek Mythology. And Golden Sun had prominent ancient structures under ruin after years of decay. Palutena's Temple was similar in this aspect.

As for a real answer, Sol Sanctum, Vale, or any Lighthouse would do. Or even the Flying Memurian Ship soaring through various backgrounds would work. Ending with the 4 elemental lighthouses forming the Golden Sun.
Honestly, I think the most likely would be Sol Sanctum. It's a pretty important part of the game, (and for all I know it gets more important lol me a n00b) and I think having the alternating Sol and Luna rooms could make for a cool stage gimmick in some way.
 
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On the bright side, I've already re-encountered Ivan and beaten the bandits, so Tret comes soon. I'll be caught up in no time!

Question: what level does Isaac get growth? I've gotten Garet to use it by giving him Flint.



Honestly, I think the most likely would be Sol Sanctum. It's a pretty important part of the game, (and for all I know it gets more important lol me a n00b) and I think having the alternating Sol and Luna rooms could make for a cool stage gimmick in some way.
In his base class line, he doesn't. You need to cross Djinn elements to get growth. Another thing that was handled better in Dark Dawn IMO.
 

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In his base class line, he doesn't. You need to cross Djinn elements to get growth. Another thing that was handled better in Dark Dawn IMO.
Actually, giving Isaac Mars Djinni and Garet Venus Djinni isn't such a bad idea at all. It makes Garet's lack of agility far less of an issue whilst boosting his attack, and it actually makes Isaac stronger to.
 

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Actually, giving Isaac Mars Djinni and Garet Venus Djinni isn't such a bad idea at all. It makes Garet's lack of agility far less of an issue whilst boosting his attack, and it actually makes Isaac stronger to.
Well, with 7 Mars Djinn and 2 Venus Djinn, Isaac gets the Chaos Lord class (7 Venus and 2 Mars for Garet) , which is one of the classes that has one of the highest attack, pretty good hp and good agility, however, it has low defense and low PP.
 

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On the bright side, I've already re-encountered Ivan and beaten the bandits, so Tret comes soon. I'll be caught up in no time!

Question: what level does Isaac get growth? I've gotten Garet to use it by giving him Flint.



Honestly, I think the most likely would be Sol Sanctum. It's a pretty important part of the game, (and for all I know it gets more important lol me a n00b) and I think having the alternating Sol and Luna rooms could make for a cool stage gimmick in some way.
Rather than Sol Sanctum I think it'd specifically be the Elemental Stars Chamber if they went for an area towards the start of the game. You'd be able to jump across to the various platforms with some lower and some higher, and the teleport to Sol Sanctum sitting in the backdrop. Eventually the volcano will start to erupt and lava will cover the lower platforms, with rocks falling from the ceiling and fireballs shooting out after you, then The Wise One will calm it down eventually and it returns to normal.


I see either that or Venus Lighthouse happening, but not specifically Sol Sanctum (maybe they'd call the Elemental Stars Chamber Sol Sanctum, though). Or perhaps they could combine Sol Sanctum and the Elemental Stars Chamber, but I just can't see JUST Sol Sanctum happening on its own.
 

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I see either that or Venus Lighthouse happening, but not specifically Sol Sanctum (maybe they'd call the Elemental Stars Chamber Sol Sanctum, though). Or perhaps they could combine Sol Sanctum and the Elemental Stars Chamber, but I just can't see JUST Sol Sanctum happening on its own.
Or, given Sakurai's focus on "bosses" in this Smash, the stage could take place at the north end of Vale, with Sol Sanctum and Mt. Aleph in the background, and the monk would pop out from behind a tree and deliver an instant KO. "NOPE!" Trolling at its finest.
 
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Or, given Sakurai's focus on "bosses" in this Smash, the stage could take place at the north end of Vale, with Sol Sanctum and Mt. Aleph in the background, and the monk would pop out from behind a tree and deliver an instant KO. "NOPE!" Trolling at its finest.
Considering its DLC I doubt we'll get anything big like that.
 

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Issac is the King! He really makes me proud that Golden sun is an awesome developer! I just wanted to add that even when the voting period is over, I wil keep posting to this thread! It makes life so much more meaningful when i can express my feelings toward Issac for DLC!!!
 

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So if (I mean when) Isaac is added to Smash, what Stage should represent Golden Sun? (I'm sure this has been asked before, but I don't visit here much)

For me it would be Mercury Lighthouse because...
I just beat Saturos up there

I think the most likely candidate is one of the lighthouses. Venus Lighthouse, specifically, due to being the climax of the first game (I have an idea for such a stage that I cooked up here). But my second choice would actually be Colosso: a scrolling stage that would go across various obstacles (with Garret, Ivan, and Mia all using psynergy to alter the stage from the background) before arriving in the center arena for a more traditional battle for a while.
 

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I think the most likely candidate is one of the lighthouses. Venus Lighthouse, specifically, due to being the climax of the first game (I have an idea for such a stage that I cooked up here). But my second choice would actually be Colosso: a scrolling stage that would go across various obstacles (with Garret, Ivan, and Mia all using psynergy to alter the stage from the background) before arriving in the center arena for a more traditional battle for a while.
I do agree that I think Venus Lighthouse is the most likely option. I really can't see Colosso happening because its just not that important to the overall storyline. I mean, yes, you're forced to go there, and it gets Babi's attention, but really, you already had Babi's attention anyway. As far as I'm concerned, Colosso just happens because they wanted it to happen, but its not necessary to the overall narrative.


The Lighthouses and Elemental Stars Chamber, though, are far more important. Since the Lighthouses are so central, Isaac is a Venus Adept, and Venus Lighthouse is the final dungeon of Golden Sun, it feels like the most logical choice. And if they do more than just focus on the roof, they can add a lot of unique mechanics by getting sand traps involved in the lower levels of the stage.


If they do focus on just the roof, though, I think they may add a teleportation mechanic, and it'd teleport you between each lighthouse, with a "Lighthouse" Medley as the main theme.
 

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I do agree that I think Venus Lighthouse is the most likely option. I really can't see Colosso happening because its just not that important to the overall storyline. I mean, yes, you're forced to go there, and it gets Babi's attention, but really, you already had Babi's attention anyway. As far as I'm concerned, Colosso just happens because they wanted it to happen, but its not necessary to the overall narrative.

I do agree that the importance of Colosso is pretty low in terms of the story line, but it does give a good reason to show off a lot of different psynergy effects and abilities outside of those Isaac would have in his arsenal. So it would be more of a "stage as a theme" concept, since psynergy is really the meat and potatoes of the Golden Sun world.
 
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I do agree that the importance of Colosso is pretty low in terms of the story line, but it does give a good reason to show off a lot of different psynergy effects and abilities outside of those Isaac would have in his arsenal. So it would be more of a "stage as a theme" concept, since psynergy is really the meat and potatoes of the Golden Sun world.
It also is built for a battle tournament, and has music which is catchy as heck.

That said, I'd go with a Lighthouse personally.
 

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While I admit that Colosso could be a cool stage, we already have Coliseum-like stages already. Arena Ferox for 3DS and the aptly named Coliseum in WiiU.

I'd say go with a Lighthouse for more variety and to continue the distancing from "Generic JRPG FE/FELike Anime Swordsman".
At least the FE/FELike part at any rate... :ohwell:

If we get Isaac released then people will begin to see that he isn't just another "Generic JRPG FE/FELike Anime Swordsman". At that point, we can toss Colosso as a stage in.
 
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While I admit that Colosso could be a cool stage, we already have Coliseum-like stages already. Arena Ferox for 3DS and the aptly named Coliseum in WiiU.
It's true that they like stages like that: There's also the Pokémon Stadium stages.
Of course, I already stated that, but my choice would be Venus Lighthouse too.

By the way, one of our users on Reddit's /r/GoldenSun posted an excellent remix of the Venus Lighthouse theme:

That's another one we listen to pretty often, but hey, that's too good to skip it for that reason. :surprised:
 

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Actually, giving Isaac Mars Djinni and Garet Venus Djinni isn't such a bad idea at all. It makes Garet's lack of agility far less of an issue whilst boosting his attack, and it actually makes Isaac stronger to.
By handled better I meant Matthew makes like Piers and has a well used/necessary Psynergy no matter what class he's in and it is not necessary to randomly find it thru Djinn mixing. Granted, it's not too hard to find if you search enough, but I felt it was a bit obscure for something necessary at my first playthru.
 

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Well actually the manual for the original does slightly cover dual-elemental classes so it is not entirely obscure.

However it is indeed not mentioned in the game which often leads to people going mono-elemental all the way through (with the good stats but not GREAT stats of the multi-classes).
 

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I thought there are some obstacles which you can only solve by mixing up Djinn? For example using Growth to climb a wall at some point (can't remember where, last played the games a couple of years ago). Surely that triggers people to experiment with Djinn and see what different psynergy they can use?
 

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I think the most likely candidate is one of the lighthouses. Venus Lighthouse, specifically, due to being the climax of the first game (I have an idea for such a stage that I cooked up here). But my second choice would actually be Colosso: a scrolling stage that would go across various obstacles (with Garret, Ivan, and Mia all using psynergy to alter the stage from the background) before arriving in the center arena for a more traditional battle for a while.
Spoilers, man! I still haven't gotten to the end yet.
 

Jamurai

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To be fair TLA is 13 years old... I would only hide major plot points behind spoilers at this stage, and only if I knew we were talking amongst people who haven't finished it. No offence, but you can't expect to come on a Golden Sun thread and for everything from Vault onwards to be in spoiler tags lol.
 
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