Jumping out of double team

[ZaloMonkada]

So I had a pretty cool idea for the next patch. What if you could use a charge to jump during double team? It seems like it would be an interesting addition

 

[CORY]

... i like it : O

 

[Alexander Duprey]

probably a little strong. Anything you can jump out of; you can wavedash out of. and you can do anything out of wavedash

 

[ZaloMonkada]

But is that really too good when u need to use a charge for it? It seems strong but not abusive

 

[~Frozen~]

To be honest the threat of DownB cancel already is very intimidating, being able to throw out moving aerials/tilts/smashes is really great. Giving him a jump from DownB cancel would vastly increase the number of options he has out of it and would make an already scary move even scarier.

If its any consolation, you can jump out of an UpB cancel if you still have a jump remaining.

 

[Drodeka]

I thought it would be cool to press Down + B + A and get a straight or upward dodge, which could be separately cancelled with another aura charge.

 

[bec]

it would be cool but like was said, even burning an aura charge it would be too OP. especially for recovery i think, since it would carry a lot of momentum and it seems like his (already amazing) recovery would become rather ridiculous with this capability. as a lucario main i would really love it buuuut it would be i think too good

 

[ZaloMonkada]

I didn't think about the momentum, that really would be broken

 

[AbstractLogic]

Any time you give a grounded move the capability of being JC'd I can't help but think back to 2.5 sonic...

 

[Spiffykins]

There's two reasons down b goes diagonally down: 1) it would be broken for combos if not 2) it would be broken for recovery if not

Ever notice how Lucario doesn't really have any moves that send at quite the right angle for down b to link combos? That's pretty obviously intentional. The best you can use it for 90% of the time is either low % cancel shenanigans on FFers (ex fair > down b cancelled > fair), or aerial > down b back to the ground, then jump and continue the juggle.

 

[Risky]

There's two reasons down b goes diagonally down: 1) it would be broken for combos if not 2) it would be broken for recovery if not

Ever notice how Lucario doesn't really have any moves that send at quite the right angle for down b to link combos? That's pretty obviously intentional. The best you can use it for 90% of the time is either low % cancel shenanigans on FFers (ex fair > down b cancelled > fair), or aerial > down b back to the ground, then jump and continue the juggle.

You can usually combo a fastfaller or heavy with usmash, jump -> Fair -> DT canceled into Nair. This also works without the usmash if they're on a platform above you. Another use is after dthrow if the opponent DI's away, and can be the only way to actually catch them after (grounded DT canceled into dtilt or fsmash).